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S85 OR THE S85P ? HELP!

I am about to order a model s, but I can’t decide whether to go for the s85 or the s85p. Both models I will have fully equipped with any of the possible options given.
Because there is a significant difference in pricing I am interested in your opinion which model to choose.

Thereby, if I will decide to buy the s85p, will the “Performance Plus Package” actually have an added value? Have any of your bloggers driven both models and noticed any differences?

Finally, If there are any Dutch bloggers reading this, who bought/ordered a model s, could you please inform me which supplier you have chosen to install a charging station at your home? There are so many options to choose from. I live in an apartment building having a parking spot in the basement garage. I am aware of the fact Tesla providing charging stations yet I am looking at the sustainable aspect of having other neighbors using the station as well.

I look forward hearing your advice!

谢谢您

Kind regards,

Sarah

My order is going in on July 7th for Performance without the Plus. Coming out of Audi TTRS. Not sure if added cost is warranted but its not always a matter of cost. Good luck.

By the way, what color did you opt for?

The dirty down-low on the difference between 85, P85 and P85+:

85 - largest battery

P85 - performance inverter, air shocks standard, performance motor (hand winding)

P85+ - all P85 + race handling and offset rear suspension to improve turning and acceleration (tire size increased). + 5% improved range.

You WILL burn the tires off this car every 6-10,000 miles if you aren't careful.

Best value, in terms of future collectibility is the P85+.

Best overall value is a fully loaded 60. With the ability to swap, you ensure ability to upgrade for long trips. And upgrade to the next larger battery size (100, 120, 150) that will be available in 3-7 years.

@Sarah
It sounds like you haven't decided amongst the three, S or P or P+. The only significant straight line acceleration difference you'll see is between the S and the Ps. I don't think the P vs P+ will be significantly different. I chose the P+ for two main reasons. I've always sought the top-end model and biggest engine, but sometimes compromised because there is usually a fuel efficiency penalty. No real penalty here for 4 second performance--that's just amazing to me. I chose the P+ over P, and I've never driven either, because of peoples' concerns over the suspension in the stock P. Why would Tesla bring an update to market so soon if they didn't realize there was improvement to be had. Even Elon insisted that his personal car have upgraded components for improved handling.

You're welcome to try mine any time you'd like--ETA July 20;)

I chose the non performance because it has plenty of performance. It is much much faster than any car I owned before. I could not convince myself to spend another €15k let alone the extra €6.6k on the plus kit.
Plenty of stories on this forum from people who experienced both 85, P85 and P85+.

I have not chosen a wall outlet yet but at the moment I'm inclined to get Cohere. They seem very experienced. I'll go for the 3-phase 16A option mentioned in their leaflet which will recharge an empty battery in 8.5 hours. I did not order the twin charger.

Mumanoff: I think about the pearl white.

SamoSam: Thank you for your clear explanation. About the possibility of upgrading from a 60 battery to a newer battery; I will be driving at least 125 miles every day and I am not afraid to challenge the speeding limits. This why I do prefer to have that extra range, which the 85 battery provides.

Bighorn: I haven’t decided yet, that is correct. I just have difficulties choosing due to the fact that it seems the s85 (fully equipped) doesn’t inferior the s85p based on handling. I haven’t heard/read any theories treading this subject. The test ride I experienced was in a fully equipped s85p+. I was immediately sold on the model s. The only thing left is the assessment of the model differences.

Fred O: These stories you said there are plenty of, I am trying to find. Thank you for your comment and the link to Cohere.eu.

@Sarah.k

Are you sure that you drove the S85+ at your test drive? These vehicles only became available ~6 weeks ago, and none were in Europe.

Do I have bad information?

Sarah. It all comes down to your wants and needs versus what makes sense.

I would be interested in knowing what car you are currently driving and how you characterize your driving style (highly aggressive, fast, average/normal, or passive). Also, have you driven an “S,” if so was it an 85 or P85? What did you think, like-dislike, etc.

@ Sarah,

I originally wanted the S85 with most of the options, sans 21" wheels due to the accelerated wear and replacement costs. Then I realized that I would regret not having spent the additional $12,000 (based on my particular config) for the Performance version. I stayed with the 19" wheels, however, because I want my tires to last 20,000-30,000 miles and to keep ongoing costs to a minimum. The last thing I wanted was to feel any regrets after I bought this car, and the Performance upgrade was something that kept nagging at me.

My view of the P+ option is that it's great for those who want the absolute best performance, don't mind replacing tires frequently, and who tend to drive aggressively or like to take their cars to the track. I am not one of those people, so the P+ was overkill. Also, without the P+ upgrade, 21" wheels on any Model S will result in reduced range due to the fact that the 21" tires are not low rolling resistance and have much more surface area touching the road. That equates to more friction and reduced range, so keep this in mind.

I think it all comes down to what you expect from the vehicle, your driving style, etc.

AmpedRealtor. Please clarify did you order an S85 or P85 with 19" wheels?

@Sarah
Check http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/forumdisplay.php/118-Belgium-and-the-Neth...
You will find lost of info, and are welcome to post your questions.

@ petero, yes I ordered my P85 with 19" wheels.

SamoSam: My mistake It was the s85p in which I had the opportunity to test drive. This took place in Eindhoven.

petero: My current car is tuned Mercedes ML 420 CDI. My driving style aggressive and fast. Always in a hurry.
I drove the p85. It was a test drive of 30 minutes. It was amazing, not to be compared with any other car. Most definitely not to be compared with my Mercedes.
The only dis-like is the charging. It takes time.

AmpedRealtor: I can really relate to your comment. This is exactly why I wanted the comments and opinions of others.
I am almost certain I will choose the s85p. The only question left is whether to add the plus package.
My opinion: The 19” size wheels and their performance can’t compete against the looks of the 21” wheels.

I drove (some would say abused) a loaner P85 last week. Unless you plan to race it or simply want bragging rights, I think the P85 has more power than anyone will use frequently so the extra expense may be a waste.

Racing (and bragging) can get boring when you win every time ;)

If you use the extra power regularly, be prepared to buy tires every 2k-3k miles (not 6k-10k as others suggested). If you don't plan to use it, then what's the point?

I've now driven a 40/60, 85, and P85 and, as much as I love torque and HP, would not buy the P85 unless money is no object. If that's your situation then go for it (and purchase tires in bulk).

@SamoSam

Yes you have bad information.
I saw the P85+ in the Teslastore in Oslo last week.

Martijn: Thank you for that link!!

@sarah.k
Unless you prefer a harsher ride and can accept more road noise vibrating into the cabin due to the tighter suspension on the P85+, I'd stick with the P85. I have a fully loaded P85 and with the 21" wheels, the road noise is more apparent than with the 19" on the demo car. It's very tempting everytime I get onto the freeway entrance here in CA to feel that rush when you get thrown into the driver's seat from time zero acceleration but I keep reminding myself the $$$$$ for new sets of tires and that squelches my urge for the few second thrill :-). Ran into so many MS owners at the Fremont SC switching out their tires, some as low as 5,000 miles from the hard acceleration. Enjoy whatever MS version you pick. It's amazing.

Hi Sarah,

Orderd the P85, but as captain slow's halfwitted nephew, not for the power. I plan on it being the last car i(47) will ever buy/drive. So it better have the best infrastructure currently available to deal with the 300kw pack in 8 years to come :-)

Basically, if you have the cash, spend it on this car.

Gr. Erik

@P85_Norway

Thanks for the information. I still have not driven the P+.

@sarah.k

Thanks for the update. The reason I asked is to gauge how much of an improvement you'd notice. My guess (based on what I've read here and on the TMC website) is that the P+ will be better in acceleration, handling, cornering and stopping. But that the difference will only be noticeable to very few people. Including yourself.

I will be buying my Tesla for a delivery date of July 2014. My train of though is to buy the 85P and on the S85 with the 19 inch wheels.
1. 19 inch wheels because lower road noise and cost and frequency of replacement. I test drove the S85 with 19 inch rims and that was fine. Looks good enough but the 21 inch look better.
2. The acceleration on the S85 was pretty good but if you want bragging rights and I bet you'll feel the difference then you go for the P85. For me I will be keeping the car 10 to 12 years and if I divide the cost difference between the two versions over that time it doesn't cost that much more a month.
3. One possible monkey wrench is insurance. My preliminary look at that with my company saying Tesla $100,000.00 was reasonable. I have read on this site great rates for the car and horribly high rates. In fact it is amazing at the different costs mentioned. So when the day comes to order and if I have a good rate then it's the performance version for me.

I'm 58 1/2 now that's why July of 2014. I will be 59 1/2 and no penalty on pulling a little of retirement money to add to cash for buy for me.

@Kimscar
Good point regarding insurance. My current insurer won't insure a P85 or P85+, only the non-performance versions.

@ Kimscar, Geico insures the P85. I received a quote for 100/300/100 coverage, no medical, no windshield, no roadside, yes loaner car up to $30/day, $500 deductible all around was under $700 for six months. I'm 44 yo w/ domestic partner who will be a 2nd driver on the policy. Progressive was even lower at $600 for six months, and they don't differentiate between Model S flavors and will accept a P85 VIN number. In hindsight I will probably get windshield coverage because Model S windshields cost over $900 each and I doubt they can be purchased from anyone but Tesla.

I went with the Model S 85, and used the difference to get all the options and the service plan and extended warranty.

I now have 3000 miles on the car, and love every minute of driving it. Believe me, it has plenty of power, plenty of acceleration, still more than nearly every gas car. Handles beautifully and is the most responsive car I have ever driven, in every sense. With electric torque, regen braking and the one pedal driving, its not only going fast, but it is also going slow that is amazing in this car! So supple, quiet, and responsive in all situations and traffic. This is part of the magic.

With the sunroof down on a summer night, its just not the acceleration that completes the beauty of the night, but the smooth, ultra responsive handling and quiet power and at low speeds. The car is a revelation, even without the P or the P+.

Since I don't need to race, the S85 has all the power and torque I need. The 19's are smooth, quiet, and save on tire replacement.

Just an alternate view for your consideration.

@AmpedRealtor
That would be fantastic at the rates you quoted me. I have the money lined up for the performance 85. The only thing that i can see that could change that is the insurance. When I get the car next July I will be 59 1/2, married. I live in Southern Calif. in the Orange County area. I'm retired and would probably be putting around 8,000 miles a year.

Yes, my rates were quoting 20,000 miles annually. I'm also in Phoenix, so your rates may be higher in OC.

sarah.k. imherkimer said it beautifully. The S85 is a quantum leap in all around performance from your ML. I agree the 21s look nicer but the 19s make the most sense. Two other, small consideration is the smoothness of the roads you constantly traverse and how much snow/ice falls on these roads.

A common trait of Model S owners/reservation holders is the need to check off every option box. Reading the forum posts there many that go way overboard in aftermarket upgrades (stereo, armor, electronics, interior, wheels, etc.). Some times it pays to hold off and see and drive a few different cars. When I sold/leased new cars I always asked my customer to drive the least powerful model first, so they had a realistic yardstick to measure performance. I always tried to sell the least expensive car that fulfilled my customers needs - not the most expensive. It is probably very hard to be satisfied with an 85 if you have driven a P85 or a P85+ first. Just my 2cents.

For the record you may wish to compare the pearl and solid whites, side by side, in the light of day

@sarak k

Pretty sure you cannot buy a signature series Model S anymore... :)

@sarah.k

My previous car was the current model BMW M3 with the V8 engine. Even though on paper it is a faster car than my S85, in real-world driving my S85 actually feels faster.

I was really worried that I would regret not getting the P85 since I'm all about getting what's the top of the line, but I'm really happy with my choice because even though I tend to drive quite fast I'm still not ever really pushing my car to its limit.For me all of the extra performance I'd get from the P85 would mostly be wasted since I'll never take my car out on the track, and my S85 is fully loaded so I have everything else the car has to offer.

That being said if I got my car before I had kids I would have gotten the P85+. If the cost is not an issue for you then of course go and get the P85+, otherwise I think you'll be perfectly happy with the S85 like I am.

The S85 because the P85+ has way too many compromises to be an ideal car long term for someone who doesn't view performance as essential, or has a history of performance driving (going to the track, or just being someone who likes speed and fast acceleration).

Hell even I might settle on an S85 despite all my previous cars being high performance versions. I say that because I don't think Tesla got the P85 right. They realized it wasn't quite right in the handling department and instead of fixing it they came out with the plus version. Only the plus version stiffened everything up. They didn't give us any sort of adjustable suspension like the other manufactures do (Porsche, Audi (in some models).

Plus the S models are better than Tesla admits on paper. In my area they don't even let you test drive the standard ones because they like pushing people into the high end without it being a fair fight.


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