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Do you go to bed with your iPhone at 30% charge and NOT plug it in? NYT article = bad piece of journalism.

In my opinion, this article was a hatchet job and failed to take into account the authors own mistakes. It was 10 degrees F overnight (-12 C). He knows already that the cold has taken range away. He says in the article "no charger available". No 110v outlet anywhere? Why didn't he charge up completely in NY? Untrue and blatantly deceptive. Many people have to plug their ICE cars overnight to keep the block warm in extreme temperatures.

Does anyone go to bed with their iPhone, iPad, whatever, at 30% charge and expect it to last the whole next day?

I think the NYT should add a caveat to the article and point out these points.

I don't know I'm suffering through this right now as my car is parked in the Philly Airport garage. Had no idea the effect cold would take.

there is no documentation about his and no instrumentation to help.

I doubt my 60kWh car could make it from Newark to Milford in the cold.

If you left your iPhone (at 30%) sitting at home not plugged in, would you expect it to be charged when you got home?

Why are we starting a new thread on the NY Times article when there already is a thread?

http://www.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/new-york-times-article-and-my-re...

An electric car is different froman ICE car in both good and bad ways. People need to be educated that you should always plug in your car at night. I would have thought it to be obvious but apparently not.

Why not? I felt that the prior thread didn't express the stupidity of the article accurately so I started another one. Is that ok? Have a broken a rule?

Oh, as stated before, Elon Musk has responded plus he says that the blog will soon detail what actually happened.
http://www.benzinga.com/news/13/02/3323143/teslas-elon-musk-fires-back-a...

DanD, the manual states multiple times that the car loses charge gradually whilst parked and that it is faster in cold weather. It also clearly recommends strongly that if the car is to be left for a prolonged period it should ALWAYS be left plugged in to prevent damage to the battery. Saying there is no documentation about this is nothing but a bald faced lie.

@ Docrob - Yeah!
I don't understand this thinking: "I have a battery powered device. It's 70% depleted. I won't plug it in and hope that it's ok. - overnight - Darn. It doesn't work well now and needs charge. Bad device. Bad."

As some people say, PEBKAC. (Problem between the chair and the keyboard.)

GoTeslaChicago | FEBRUARY 11, 2013
Why are we starting a new thread on the NY Times article when there already is a thread?

http://www.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/new-york-times-article-and-my-re...

egghead | FEBRUARY 11, 2013 NEW
Why not? I felt that the prior thread didn't express the stupidity of the article accurately so I started another one. Is that ok? Have a broken a rule?

To Egghead: Don't you think we have enough threads to wade through without having multiple threads on the same topic?

Do you really think that there should be a different thread for everyone who has a different opinion?
Sounds like you're ego needs it's own thread.

Hey GoTeslaChicago, no need to be insulting. (And it's "your ego" not "you are ego". Bad grammar.)

Thanks for the correction. Even tho I check, I nearly always miss something.

egghead | FEBRUARY 11, 2013
As some people say, PEBKAC. (Problem between the chair and the keyboard.)

Just wondering if it should be PBCAK?

Problem Between the Chair And the Keyboard

PEBKAC : Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair
PEBSWAS : Problem Exists Between Steering Wheel And Seat
;)

Anyway, I sure hope that Elon serves this reporter his ass on a platter. Looking forward the the publishing of the log and subsequent evisceration.

tnks, rlpm

Wish I could watch CNBC right now with Elon!!!

@GTC : You're welcome.
@egghead : Agreed. I hope they make an example out of this "reporter".

Eggs go bad when the shell cracks.

Does anyone have an update on the CNBC interview?

Here is Elon's response phone call to the Money Honey a few minutes ago on CNBC: http://goo.gl/2fXZ5

I wish he didn't sound so defensive and the conspiracy stuff (NYT blogger is out to get us) just doesn't sound like a big boy company. Should be a short answer and put in terms most people should understand - hammer the ICE comparison... if you have a 1/4 of tank of gas, you shouldn't be expected to go the same distance as a full tank....isn't that the basis of his argument? Stick to that.

Before the flames start, I'm a res holder of both S and X and a stockholder of TSLA, so I'm on board, but IMHO Elon's delivery needs some work...it's not a bad thing to accept that.

In response to Elon, the NYT said to CNBC that the article was "completely factual", and that the reporter described the trip in detail in the article, followed Tesla's instructions completely and was never told to plug in overnight in cold weather, despite numerous contacts with Tesla. The NYT also seemed to not like the word "fake".

"Does anyone go to bed with their iPhone, iPad, whatever, at 30% charge and expect it to last the whole next day?"

EXACTLY!!!!

Operator error. The End.

he didn't expect it to last the whole next day.
he expected to drive 46 miles when the car showed it was capable of driving 90 miles.
Next morning according to the reporter it showed 20 miles or range, that's far beyond 1% a day (per manual) or even 10% discharge rate (that is not even in the manual).
If he's lying about these numbers and Tesla can prove it, bad for him.
Otherwise bad for Tesla.

Does anyone have to tell you to plug your iPhone in when it's low? When you have a lot of apps that use up juice? (Trying to draw a comparison to the cold.) Under usual circumstances, the Model S wouldn't use that much juice when parked, but it was pretty darn cold. The manual does say to plug it in when parked.

I liked Elon's comments. He obviously respects the NYT but he said that in this instance, the article was not completely factual. May not be the case. The MENTIONED facts may be correct, the ones left out however are the ones that matter. (i.e. detours through Manhattan, speeding much faster than the limit.)

In the diagram, the author had 79 miles of range left leaving NYC and did not charge up! Milford is 73 miles away!!!! He must have been trying to run it to zero. Who, in their right mind, would think "Hey, it's 73 miles and the car says I have 79 miles (though I know that it's been using charge faster because of the cold) I'm sure I can make it!" Other than a journalist seeking a sensationalistic story.

The journalist was just being a prick and getting a story out of the process. Actually that's how a lot of journalists get their stories. You really, really have to exercise judgement when reading the press these days as MOST stories are slanted one way or another.

In the end, I suspect Tesla is right, and the guy probably did screw up the test.

HOWEVER

Tesla set itself up for this by overhyping the mileage.

The car does not get 300 miles per charge. This is a fact, which even Tesla acknowledges, and yet for some reason, the marketing literature still has 300 miles all over it. In certain driving conditions does it get that? I guess a couple of people have done it, but I never even come close to that. 200mi is about the top range of a standard charge with typical driving.

Mike

PS. Still love my Tesla.

EPA managed it on their earlier 2-cycle test. Try harder.


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