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Does Pano roof sense rain and close?

A big fear is that I will leave the roof open, and it will start to rain. It can be a beautiful, sunny day, and all of a sudden it will start raining, literally, out of the blue. I'm nervous that I will run into a store and leave the roof open and then it will rain, soaking the 17" monitor, say nothing of the leather seats, etc. I know that the windshield wipers sense rain; has anyone heard anything about the roof closing itself? How much of a concern is it to have the screen get "sprinkled?"

I think its more of a nervous concern if you leave your roof open while you run into a store. Just curious to know if you'll leave you doors unlocked too?

Nope, just the roof! At home, in the driveway, I never lock my car. I guess I might have to start now that the 17" screen might seem "portable" to some idiots! I don't keep valuables in the car: ice scrapers (winter gear) and cheap sunglasses are about the extent!

bsimoes +1

That seems a very obvious, natural feature for the Model S. I'd definitely appreciate it as well, and I wouldn't be surprised if it actually does come standard already.

And yes, I, too, leave the car doors unlocked occasionally, as long as the keys are with me so nobody can just hop in and drive off.

I'd be dubious about this being available, although if any car was going to offer this feature, it'd be an 'always on' BEV like the Model S.

At least if you notice while in the store, you should be able to close it from your smartphone.

Many cars these days tout "rain-sensing wipers" though I'm not sure what that technology really is. My skylights at home have rain sensors on them. Certainly seems doable.

Hopefully the SDK will allow for this....


function OnEvent(...)
{
...
case WipersTurnedOn:
...
EnsureRoofClosed();
...
...
}

bsimoes, go into your nearest Tesla store, sit in the car and open the roof. Then have someone pour water all over the roof to see what happens. Let us know how it turns out.

brianman, that won't work for the use case at hand: The wipers won't turn on when the car is parked and the keys are removed, no matter how heavy the rain! ;-)

jrabena@sughrue.com, you gave me a good chuckle!

@Volker - Details. You get the spirit of it. ;)

case RainDetected:

"Does Pano roof sense rain and close?"

I dunno, but the driver surely will!

If the driver doesn't realize its about to rain, he should not be driving a car with a pano, moon roof or convertible... :)

Does the roof close when it senses bird shit approaching? I want that mode! Hopefully in 2.0, it's a dealbreaker for me.

Or can it autoconnect the the local weather station's radar to close 2 minutes before the rain?

Folks, get real. Using brains is voluntary.

Agree with Mika: Time to close thread(not the roof)

Folks, get real. Using brains is voluntary. (Mika)

I don't feel that's an appropriate comment. The sensors are there, the roof is moved electrically via software. Of course it should close automatically when rain is sensed! On a hot day, wouldn't you prefer to let the heat escape through the (partly) open sun roof while parking, knowing that it will close automatically when the weather changes? It's not magic, it basically comes for free with what the car already has.

"It's not magic, it basically comes for free with what the car already has."

I take issue with the characterization of software as free.

The closest it will be to free is when the Terminators take over and start writing it, and I think most would argue that's not really free.

brianman, agreed. My point was that I take issue with the way Mika characterizes the idea as something that is extraordinarily far-fetched and unnecessary for anybody using their brains.

I wonder why people want things like adaptive cruise control... you don't need it if you use your brains and your right foot, do you?

Actually, the automatically closing sunroof would be useful even while driving, even if the driver is sensing the rain (as olanmills remarked). Why would people want automatic wipers? They can easily flick them on manually, because they do see the rain on the windscreen, don't they?

As we said of BMWs, "The sensor doesn't close the roof, it turns off the rain".

Volker.Berlin--thank you. I am becoming quite disgusted with some of the people and their rudeness on this forum. The personal attacks are over the line. It reflects badly on Tesla, and it reflects badly on you, if you're one of the ones that finds it necessary to belittle others. I guess you are either very young or very rich and don't believe that character matters; it does.

It would also be nice if the windows are closed when rain is sensed (assuming that they are controllable through software). Of course, we can carry this out a little further and have the pano roof and the windows reopen after the rain has subsided....

Automatically closing roof is also safety feature: one less distraction for driver to do while driving.

Alex K;
Interesting idea! Suggests a somewhat amusing spectacle of someone teasing the car with a hose, though ..

>;)

While they're modifying the roof for precipitation detection, how about a sensor/ heating element in the windshield and rear window that senses ice accumulation resulting in an auto- defrost mode. I would prefer to never touch the car with an ice scraper and could easily dislodge sheets of ice with a gloved hand.

Not a likely problem for you Texans, but a common issue here in New England.

No useless gimmicks for S-model, costing time and money for everyone. My personal favorites are windmill, pericope, diesel trunk generator, social mode WLAN connectivity to other drivers, sabath mode, inventer to charge other EV's etc. Plus many, many others.

Get real and Tesla, get me a proper working car without recalls. And door side pockets, I have not seen a car in decades without ones. "Big fear", not.

And in my Espace same sized panoroof takes 12 second to close, sudden shower and screen it wet and Tesla sued for non-operating autorainsensingpanoroof.

No useless gimmicks for S-model, costing time and money for everyone. (Mika)

The term "useless gimmick" seems to be up to everybody's subjective definition. It is easy to come up with a plausible definition of that term by which the Model S already has a lot of "useless gimmicks".

There seems to be consensus at Tesla as well as in these forums that while the Roadster was pretty much a "no frills, just thrills" car, the Model S from its inception was intended to offer most of the whistles and bells (aka "useless gimmicks") that drivers of sedans in its price range have gotten used to. And then some, which are only enabled by the fact that the Model S is a BEV and has a 17" touch screen.

Mika, I'm curious as to why you, specifically, consider the Model S and not the Roadster. The latter has more performance and less frills, and based on your recent statements I'd guess you'd be rather happy with it. Maybe the Model S is actually targeting a slightly different audience...?

Mika, maybe you should apply your "no useless gimmicks" approach to this thread:
http://www.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/what-other-features-would-you-wa...

There are quite a few suggestions over there regarding which I would immediately chime in on your tune. IMO, the automatically closing sunroof seems to be more useful and less expensive then many of the suggestions in that thread.

VB, Roadster on not good to drive, too top heavy. And I need seats, sports car I already have. Concidered Roadster until testdrove it. In that price range I see lot of better cars, although ICE's.

In that tread are some marvelous ideas, LOL. Some seriously propose things only 1-2 persons might concider using, even less buying. In for example "inverter to charge other EV's" would be included, that will make changes to all production car wirings, PEM etc, most likely. ie. increase costs for everybody. Or the best of all, windmill to generate electricity, roof structure would be different ;-)

Tesla is startup company and should concentrate on essentials, not ot waste money on gimmicks which does not generate positive cashflow. Nearly everything can be done, but everything is not worth doing.

Interesting discourse, but back to the roof closing. It would be nice to have it close a little quicker, and, what kewl idea to have the car close it's windows/roof in rain. In Florida and I'm sure many other locales, we experience showery weather. By that, I mean bright sunshine a few puffy cumulus clouds, you walk into store or the house for a few minutes and whammo! deluge of rain. Again, since the sensor is there and since virtually everything in this car appears to be accessible by software solutions, it certainly seems as though this would be a very realistic future " software" upgrade in S2.0. Not free ( annual maintenance fee) and quite practical for a large number of folks living nearer to the equator.

That being said I wouldn't want to see the initial quality goal affected by such an effort. It is of utmost most importance that the vehicle be bullet proof in quality terms or the failure of the enterprise will follow close at hand ( along with my stock) and those damn short guys will have burned it up yet one more time! :) ( insert Randy Newman, short people song here)

Mika, thanks. I don't see the automatically closing sunroof in the same league as an integrated roof windmill... But that's probably subjective. Let's just say we agree to differ in this case.

Tesla is probably taking some inspiration from the forums, but they will eventually do what they determine is best -- by their own standards. So, we should let them do their jobs, and I for one trust in Tesla that the result will be well-balanced. I'll buy it whether or not the roof closes automatically.


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