How About Us, MS Pioneer Owners?

I have had my Tesla MS-85 since early July 2013 (ordered late May 2013). Since then there has been quite a few upgrades. Parking sensors (rear one is just a software upgrade), Alcantara headliner, Sub-zero weather packages (for my fellow proud pioneer MS owners in very frigid areas) and the yet to come Drop-in console and Retro-fit cup holders in the rear for our little ones.
Can Tesla please remember that without us, there won't be all the headlines and the profits and the current mad rush and allow free upgrades in cases like the rear parking sensor where it can be done as a software upgrade and offer us hardware upgrade at a reasonable price for the other!

I hope I speak on behalf of everyone that owns a MS since day one! What do you all think?

If you are a Tesla employee just looking in, PLEASE tell remind Elon that the first and still the best advertisement he has for Tesla is us, the current owners!!!

I'm in full agreement! We "Early Adopters" deserve to be upgraded out of respect!

I don't think the rear parking sensor is software only! people have reported/posted photos of the little sensors in the back.

I don't think ALL upgrades are necessarily possible for cars already delivered. What happens in other cars? Or in computers or phones you bought 3 months ago when they come out with new models? You wait 3 years or you trade in the not so old one if you really want it.

It may be a nice-to-have request, but hardly a must for Tesla to do when hardware is involved. We have been getting free software upgrades all along, with new features not available when we first took delivery of the car.

My VIN is in the 400's, and I don't even consider myself a pioneer!

I was P42, received my car in January 2013. I waited 3 years for my car. I was one of the first 60s. I do not feel I am owed anything by Tesla. They've actually bent over backwards to handle out of courtesy any fixes to things that are wrong. These upgrades were exactly those. Upgrades from when I bought my car. In answer to your question what do I think, I disagree wholeheartedly.



I've had my P85 since March and I don;t feel at all that I am entitled to free hardware upgrades. Where would this stop? Endless upgrades for any new feature Tesla releases in the next years?

I think we need to stay realistic - you would not even ask BMW or Mercedes for anything similar.

I've had my P85 since March and I don't feel at all that I am entitled to any free hardware upgrades. I want Tesla to prosper and not spend engineering/service resources on "free" upgrades. Best value I can get is if Tesla is around for a long time.

And by the way I don't feel like a MS pioneer owner, I feel very blessed.

For those who haven't had their Model S as "long" as the originator of this post, I can appreciate where he is comming from. He is a Signature holder and so his down payment consisted of a $40k lump some that sat there and didn't accumulate any interest for that amount of time and is a much bigger risk then the guy who plunked down $5 but I am also aware that one man's $40k may not mean as much as another man's $5k

Those things being said, I don't feel Tesla owes me anything as a Signature holder, but I do feel left out when I see the upgrades offered now that I know I would have opted for when I plunked down my $40k as well.

@BYT think you misread the original post. OP has only had his car since July of this year not last.

Pioneer??? He's had the car since July 2013??? That's a month ago!

Free hardware upgrades, absolutely not.

Hardware upgrades for a reasonable price, absolutely yes.

I think a good example of this issue is the P85+ upgrade. This was not available to me for $6,500 when I ordered my car in January. Would I have got if it was available at that price? Likely. But the retrofit is $13,500 if I want it. Is that reasonable? I am sure this price is to cover their costs, but should it not be offered somewhat below costs for early adopters? This is close call but I think a price somewhere between $6,500 and $13,500 would be much more reasonable.

I bought one of the first Apple II computers ever for sale. I paid $2000 for it and was just a kid. I saved for two years and was going to purchase a car but I bought the Apple II instead.

Steve Jobs never gave me anything. Not even an iPod 25 years later.

I should have held on to that early Apple II. It was darn near a prototype. Probably be worth tens of dollars today.

Maybe I'll hold on to my S as well and reap the rewards.

Free hardware upgrades for life, promised on the web site:


What is this? You purchased a nice car it's not like you donated your money to Tesla. I can't even ask for undeserved favor from charitable organizations just because I made donations to them.

There are forum members reconfigured their purchases and paid more just to get the parking sensor. There is one member sold his P85 just so he could buy a new one with the P+ package. Do like what they did and pay up if you really like the upgrade and really care about Tesla's success.

Earlier buyers got to drive their cars sooner, and have enjoyed them longer.

I completely disagree. If you aren't happy being on the bleeding edge, you shouldn't buy a bleeding edge product. If you waited for these things, then there will be some other upgrade around the corner and if you wait for those then you will wait forever.

I am perfectly happy with the car I have for the price I paid for it. I do not expect Tesla to upgrade my car to current specs. If I bought a 2012 LEAF (which I did) and they came out with higher power chargers and a heat pump in 2013 (which they did), I would not expect Nissan to offer retrofits for it (which they don't).



First, no offense to the OP, but you're not a pioneer. I have a VIN well under 10,000 and I don't consider myself a pioneer. Most of us are just early adopters of high tech items - but I digress.

I REALLY wanted parking sensors and knew they'd come at some point, but I REALLY wanted to drive my MS ASAP, so I took the plunge in the Spring.

My only request is that Tesla offers retrofits, if at all possible. I'll pay $2,500 (5x their cost now) the PDCs. However, I don't expect any free upgrades - Tesla has delivered an incredible car, with or without the hardware changes.

The Roadster owner are the pionerrs, MS owners are the settlers. And when I ordered my car in November the road was already well charted.

I've had mine since mid-June. I don't really feel like having a great car, free supercharging while traveling and never thinking about stopping for gas anymore during my routine day is enough. I want more! All upgrades should be free to everyone, both hard and soft. We should get invited to dinner at the Musk house. We should have our cars detailed at the service center weekly at no charge. We should actually get our cars original cost given back to us.... Oh sorry that's already happened if you bought enough stock at a good time. Seriously, I drive every day with a big grin on my face, car is absolutely beautiful, the stock is still going up, the supercharging network is being developed, and lastly we are changing the car driving world, that's enough for me.

I reserved (?conceived) a MS in Oct. 2010, eventually delivered (?birthed) as VIN#2532 on Jan. 9, 2013 and have loved every minute of being part of the company's growth and success. Had a great time with my wife at the Beta Ride event and my son at the Get Amped tour and I don't feel that TM owes me any upgrades or favors. Would love to have an Elon Musk autographed sun visor though -- that would be way cool!

Expectations of entitlement are wholly inappropriate. (Why is this so rampant these days?)

When we bought two of these cars, we knew improved versions would emerge over time.

We love this car, and are fine with what has changed after purchase. Constant improvement is the mark of an innovator, and a very good thing.

That said, when TM learns about something that needs improving, they are unique in their dedication to updating existing customers wherever practical.

That is a standard unmatched by any other automaker.

If we expect them to deliver no less than perfection, we'll never buy another car.

But what is beyond debate, is that TM has delivered greatness.

LOL at the OP thinking they're a pioneer owne havibg ordered in June. I would reserve that title only to the folks that ordered years ago having only seen pictures of prototypes and having faith that Tesla could deliver on it's promises.

+1 Mark K on the expectations of entitlement.

Did they advertise that your car would come with parking sensors, alcantera etc etc? did you get exactly the car that was described in your purchase agreement? No one owes you anything. There are people that laid down money 5 years ago, a June 2013 order is a "pioneer"? lol that's hilarious.

It'll be interesting to see in how far Tesla will provide upgrades to existing customer... Paid upgrades, not free upgrades.

Don't expect that you can add the Pano Roof later on, but things like the Park Assist, or maybe even Lane Departure Warning and Distance Radar would be interesting upgrades, for those willing to provide the cash.

OP did not ask hardware for free. Just a fair price for retrofit options. I agree with that. Some items seem very expensive compared to the standard price.
Of course the parking sensors are not software only and those will come at a price. Without the tech package - OP did not mention if he has that - they wont be possible at all.
The software upgrades are available to every owner but features are constrained by the hardware in the car.

Sorry all, yes I did miss that it was July 2013 and NOT July 2012, my mistake, my head is still in June! :)

When did Tesla register as a charity? I must have missed that.

Who's talking about charity? Everyone else is talking about paid hardware upgrades ;-)

I wouldn't even be against paid software upgrades, to be honest. As long as they are meaningful. But for everyone, not for a select few, please.


+1 Thomas K; Mark K,

I think This type of feeling is rooted in the way people look at cars. People have been trained to believe that cars only change once a year (when the new model year rolls out)

With Tesla and it's rolling update structure people are thrown. They believe thay have the same "model year" car, so they deserve the same options.

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