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Review by Winding Road.com

Interesting review from 'Winding Road', I don't know if I agree with this statement though...

http://www.windingroad.com/articles/reviews/driven-2012-tesla-model-s/

"...The Model S doesn’t feel supercar fast, and the quiet described above ameliorates some of your sense of velocity, but still this thing moves well. Think Porsche Boxster S or Nissan 370Z and you’ll have something of the idea, though power delivery is different."
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I will admit, I don't drive a lot of 'super cars', however, I have owned and driven some seriously fast cars in my time, and the Porsche Boxter and or Nissan 370Z aren't what I would compare the Model S Performance to, with regard to performance. Maybe I might compare them to those cars with regard to top speed, but then again, when does anyone who owns a Lamborghini, actually have many opportunities to drive faster than 135 + MPH? Having insane instant torque is far more practical in day to day driving, than blasting away at over 150+ MPH on a straight-of-way non-existent US freeway (never mind, getting caught and being tossed in the slammer). The reviewer has more than a right to his opinion, and if I lived in Germany, and drive the autobahn daily, I might agree, however, I will enjoy zipping around 'super cars' on local freeways and roads in my Tesla, laughing all the way, as they wonder why they can't get their 'super cars' up to speed in one second, because their ICE engine wasn't designed to 'zip' instantly. 

The comment stream on that article is also very interesting, including one by Cdn reserver S2, who drove 1000 miles each way in his Roadster to the June 22 event ...

With this artical it was like that wanted to find something wrong with the car, but were taken back and found it was a great car. I found that artical to be very objective and so folks reading it would think that Tesla should be considered when choosing their next car. I've been giving the link to co-workers who are on the fence about the Tesla. The artical is very positive but unlike the others I have read lately that almost appear to be written buy Tesla they are so glowing people don't trust them to be objective. Also where is everybody like Road & Track, Car & Driver, etc. I did of course see the Motor Trend, they also appeared surprised.

"the Model S has only one gear, so when you punch it, there is almost no delay while you or your microprocessors change gears."

It's strange that he knows there's no change of gears but he still thinks there must have been some hyperfast gear change during his drive. Is it that the author just couldn't get the idea of multiple gears out of his head?

EdG;
You misread it. Try this elaboration: "there is almost no delay, as there would have been if you or your microprocessor had had to change gears."

Tikiman:
He's right about it not being supercar fast. 4.4 sec to 60mph is fast, but supercars are now in the low 3s or high 2s! The roadster at 3.7 is 911 quick.

A major difference though is that to get those numbers in an ICE supercar you need to use launch control, and it's not something that you want to do often. Using launch control in a Nissan GTR isn't even recommended by Nissan...

The model s can do that repeatedly.

At least until your tires need replacement!

Brian: You're the last person I'd expect to correct me for reading what was written as opposed to what you surmise is what he meant. Or should I have put some crazy combination of unreadable characters after my comment to imply some sort of funny face? /?$>--*

He even got the point about rear passengers over 5'10" having a problem. The article seems pretty positive; I wonder if the stock price will ever reflect what the auto press is saying?

To me that sounded like they think there is "free" and then there is "one gear", IE. they still think there is a clutch somewhere and need for changing gears.

Mark E: I'd like to see a "sec to 60mph" vs "Cost of car" chart. I would thank that any high 2.x sec car is going to cost much more that the Tesla S.

No, he's just compressing the thought a bit; the start is quicker than any possible geared car, whether operated by hand or microprocessor. You've misread him 180°.

Maybe it is you, Brian, that is misreading him 180°. It doesn't sound to me as "compressed thought". It's the word "almost" in that sentence that doesn't fit in the "compressed thought". It could be that what you say is what he is trying to say, but it definitely is not what he is saying.

I am with Brian on this one. He has poorly worded his sentence to compare it to a car with a clutch.

"....you or your microprocessors change gears..."
The "you" gave it away. How do YOU change gears in the Model S. You don't you change gears in the imaginary clutched car.

Gotta agree with Brian. Just this once.

Slindell: Agreed, although my point remains. Otherwise you may as well compare to much cheaper cars with slower performance.

The Model S is quick, but it's not current supercar quick. Luckily it doesn't have a current supercar pricetag either!

Brian H, thanks for noticing my comment to the article. Yes, I drove my Roadster 2,000 miles roundtrip for the test drive, and YES, it was absolutely worth it. Not just for the drive itself, but for the chance to meet more Tesla employees (always open and pleasant people!) and to see the AMAZING factory!

I visited the first Tesla workshop in Los Altos in February of 2007, while the Roadster was still in early alpha testing. It was incredible to see how far the company had come in five years, most of it in the last two years!

Mark E,

I agree, and am in no way saying the Model S should be compared to 'super cars' (i.e. exotics), however, I still think comparing its performance to the Boxter or 370Z is WAY off the mark! For one, neither of those cars can seat five adults and two children, much less have five doors.

I would be more apt to compare the performance of the S to the 2013 Jaguar XJ, Mercedes-Benz CLS550, or Audi A7 (as I am very sure those will be the cars it will be tested up-against, based on size, quality, amenities, price, handling, and performance).

For reference, here are 0-60 times for a bunch of competitive sport sedans. I did not try to be exhaustive here, and there is obviously quite a range in price here, from way more to somewhat less then Model S. And, of course, this is just ONE metric of performance and driving pleasure, but one many people will focus on.

Clearly, Tesla did their homework in spec'ing the Model S's performance. These figures come from http://www.zeroto60times.com:

2013 Tesla Model S    0-60 mph 5.6
2013 Tesla Model S Performance    0-60 mph 4.4

2012 Audi A7 3.0T Quattro    0-60 mph 5.2
2011 Audi S8    0-60 mph 5.6
2013 Lexus GS 350 F-Sport Package   0-60 mph 5.4
2010 Lexus LS 460 Sport   0-60 mph 5.9
2012 Maserati Quattroporte S    0-60 mph 4.8
2008 Cadillac STS   0-60 mph 6.1
2011 Aston Martin Rapide   0-60 mph 5.0
2012 Chrysler 300C Luxury Series   0-60 mph 5.3
2011 Jaguar XFR   0-60 mph 4.4
2011 Ferrari 612 Scaglietti   0-60 mph 4.0
2012 Mercedes E63 AMG Sedan    0-60 mph 3.8
2011 Mercedes S63 AMG   0-60 mph 4.3
2012 Mercedes CLS 550    0-60 mph 4.6
2012 Porsche Panamera S Hybrid   0-60 mph 5.4
2011 Infiniti M56s   0-60 mph 4.8

VincentA;
FYI, TM does not refer to "model years", just year of production. If it's made in 2012, it's a 2012 Model S. There cannot be a 2013 Model S until Jan. 1, 2013.

From http://www.cadillac.com/cts-v-luxury-sedan.html:

"The 556 horsepower CTS-V Sedan. It’s the world’s fastest production sedan with 0–60 in a blistering 3.9 seconds."

EdG,

Plus the CTS-V Sedan gets a whooping 14/19 MPG, which if you drive it 20k miles a year, will cost you a meager $6k to $8k in gas per year (depending on what side of the bed OPEC woke up on :-)

Comparing 0-60 times in one column and [MPG vs. eMPG] or total cost of ownership in another would just be an exercise in bragging.

I grabbed some MPG numbers from fueleconomy.gov. I didn't bother labeling all the points, but I think you can see which is the Model S:


Now that is something to truly "brag" about!!

The link above didn't work; it includes the colon. Here's the correct one:
http://www.cadillac.com/cts-v-luxury-sedan.html

Suspension is interesting:
dual-mode Magnetic Ride Control suspension—tuned and perfected on Germany’s notorious Nürburgring racetrack—that reacts to changing demands in less time than the blink of an eye in both Touring and Track modes.

the shock absorber fluid is infused with fine metallic particles. When subjected to magnetic fields, the viscosity of the fluid changes, stiffening or softening your ride to suit your performance demands. This groundbreaking technology reads the road up to 1,000 times per second, maintaining chassis poise without sacrificing a comfortable ride in both Tour Mode and Sport Mode. It’s the world’s fastest-reacting suspension. Perhaps that’s why some of the world’s greatest sports cars, including some Ferraris, have borrowed the technology.

Looks like about $65-75K base.

Magneto-rheological fluids are way cool. I think they make some tractor trailer seats that use this too. Those guys are sitting a LOT, so that's a pretty key application. I'd love to see Tesla integrate this technology in their Gen III.

I guess the money went into the cutting edge technology because the styling is about as sexy as a bag of potatoes.

Robert22,

I think the last good looking Cadillac was made sometime before WWII.


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