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1021 miles in 3 days using the Superchargers

My husband and I made a road trip this past weekend in California, from Santa Cruz to LA and back, taking a detour to Barstow to use as many Superchargers as we can (used Gilroy a couple of weeks back). We drove for the most part normally, not trying to get as many miles out of the charge except when we had to in one leg of the trip.

Here is a link to the blog I created on the web site
http://www.travbuddy.com/travel-blogs/105648/
where you can read about the trip, you can also comment/ask questions on that web site if you register as a free member (this is a great web site for people who like to travel and meet people who also love to travel)

and here
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiPMcB_QUHj_dG5kSjBUMUpjSFR...
is the Google doc with the numbers of watts/miles/etc for those wanting the details. (cut/paste here also)

Location Time Minutes charging Rated miles charged Rated miles Projected miles Odometer Distance travelled Average wh/mile
Day One home 10:15am 270 270 209 583.6 371
Day One Harris Ranch 1:10pm 81 112 737 153.4 354 since last charge
Day One Harris Ranch 1:44pm 34 90 171 240 737 0
Day One Tejon Ranch 3:32pm 16 16 853 116 377 last 30 miles
Day One Tejon Ranch 4:51pm 79 220 236 170 853 0
Day One Arcadia 7:24pm 118 129 942.7 89.7 339 since last charge
Day Two Arcadia 10:28am 122 240 265 942.7 0
Day Two Barstow 12:02pm 137 181 1038.2 95.5 222 last 30 miles
Day Two Barstow 1:30pm 88 135 272 374 1038.2 0
Day Two Arcadia 2:59pm 169 195 1134 95.8 304 since last charge
Day Three Arcadia 9:24am 91 260 269 1177 43
Day Three Hawthorne 12:55pm 196 171 1243 66 325 since last charge
Day Three Hawthorne 1:34pm 39 38 234 234 1243 0
Day Three Tejon Ranch 2:56pm 117 161 1335 92 361 since last charge
Day Three Tejon Ranch 3:32pm 36 83 200 277 1335 0
Day Three Harris Ranch 5:13pm 61 52 1451 116 342 since last charge
Day Three Harris Ranch 6:41pm 88 194 255 222 1451 0
Day Three Home 9:30pm 71 63 1607 156 342 since last charge
total 1243 1023.4 1021 342 for the trip
349182 watts used

I tried to make sense of that table, but that's very hard to read.

Try using pre-tag combined with H2 or H5-tags to make that a bit more readable.

< pre > < h2 > table to make readable < /h2> < /pre >

reference to use what to expect:

http://www.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/test-thread-forum-html-test

Let's try this:

	
DayLocationTimeMinutes
chargingRated
miles
chargedRated
milesProjected
milesOdometerDistance
travelledAverage
wh/mile Day Onehome10:15am270270209583.6371 Day OneHarris Ranch1:10pm81112737153.4354since last charge Day OneHarris Ranch1:44pm34901712407370 Day OneTejon Ranch3:32pm1616853116377last 30 miles Day OneTejon Ranch4:51pm792202361708530 Day OneArcadia7:24pm118129942.789.7339since last charge Day TwoArcadia10:28am122240265942.70 Day TwoBarstow12:02pm1371811038.295.5222last 30 miles Day TwoBarstow1:30pm881352723741038.20 Day TwoArcadia2:59pm169195113495.8304since last charge Day ThreeArcadia9:24am91260269117743 Day ThreeHawthorne12:55pm196171124366325since last charge Day ThreeHawthorne1:34pm393823423412430 Day ThreeTejon Ranch2:56pm117161133592361since last charge Day ThreeTejon Ranch3:32pm368320027713350 Day ThreeHarris Ranch5:13pm61521451116342since last charge Day ThreeHarris Ranch6:41pm8819425522214510 Day ThreeHome9:30pm71631607156342since last charge total12431023.41021342for the trip 349182watts used

Damn it. These forums are freaky. That should have worked!

sorry, I put the Google docs up so please read that, the formatting here is too much work!

Let me try:

 

Location Time Minutes charging Rated miles charged Rated miles Projected miles Odometer Distance travelled Average wh/mile Day One home 10:15am 270 270 209 583.6 371 Day One Harris Ranch 1:10pm 81 112 737 153.4 354 since last charge Day One Harris Ranch 1:44pm 34 90 171 240 737 0 Day One Tejon Ranch 3:32pm 16 16 853 116 377 last 30 miles Day One Tejon Ranch 4:51pm 79 220 236 170 853 0 Day One Arcadia 7:24pm 118 129 942.7 89.7 339 since last charge Day Two Arcadia 10:28am 122 240 265 942.7 0 Day Two Barstow 12:02pm 137 181 1038.2 95.5 222 last 30 miles Day Two Barstow 1:30pm 88 135 272 374 1038.2 0 Day Two Arcadia 2:59pm 169 195 1134 95.8 304 since last charge Day Three Arcadia 9:24am 91 260 269 1177 43 Day Three Hawthorne 12:55pm 196 171 1243 66 325 since last charge Day Three Hawthorne 1:34pm 39 38 234 234 1243 0 Day Three Tejon Ranch 2:56pm 117 161 1335 92 361 since last charge Day Three Tejon Ranch 3:32pm 36 83 200 277 1335 0 Day Three Harris Ranch 5:13pm 61 52 1451 116 342 since last charge Day Three Harris Ranch 6:41pm 88 194 255 222 1451 0 Day Three Home 9:30pm 71 63 1607 156 342 since last charge total 1243 1023.4 1021 342 for the trip 349182 watts used

Why clutter this thread? The Google doc is just fine.

Nope, it doesn't like the Google formatting. It would have to be laid out in a text editor with fixed spacing first.

Brian H, "it" being who? Just click this link and you're done!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiPMcB_QUHj_dG5kSjBUMUpjSFR...

Portia: Do you think there would be any problem getting from Barstow to Harris Ranch 229 mile, as it is mostly downhill? Assume the reverse would be problematic.

I think you can do it driving slowly, maybe 60-65, and maybe not in the summer so no A/C?
anyway, some car magazine people have done from LA to Vegas with that distance, even with climbing to Barstow, so you can do more than 200 miles, but it may take the joy of driving the Tesla away worrying about it too much. So I won't do it myself. But I think it's doable but not in the reverse direction.

Hi Portia: 1021 miles in 3 days. We know the car survived the trip and you didn't run out of charge. Now for the real questions:

How did your body hold up? Neck hurt? Back hurt? ...

How did your soul hold up? Was it fun? Did you get bored? Any range anxiety?

@Eclectric the car held up yes, and I did not have any back/neck pains, which I can not say for my trip last year similar except for not going to Barstow. So many factors can be at play, but the car was very comfortable, nobody sat in the backseat, so can't give you feedback on that, but the front seats are great. And I could recline it quite a bit for a nap at the last leg of the trip.
It was not boring, but I did feel at times range anxiety, especially going from Harris Ranch to Tejon Ranch, only 116 miles, with with 171 rated miles, we almost ran out (16 miles left) I was driving fairly fast in the 70's, and that must have eaten up more miles. I had to slow down, and it was not fun when you see the Prius or other cars passing you! So charge fully and then you can go faster!
Part of this trip was to get to know the car and to know how far it can go under what conditions, so that definitely helps to eliminate future range anxiety.

It was fun to just see what the car can do, and it is a great car for traveling, especially when there are superchargers along the way. and it was fun to meet the other Tesla owners or owner-to-be.

VB;
"It" being this page's software. Pasted that table into a

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tag block. Here.

Do try to keep up.

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Portia, thanks for sharing your experiences with Model S. I can't wait to take my family on our first road trip. I'm sure my boys will have some comments about the back seats. Hopefully we will get our car before the oldest is too old to enjoy coming with us...

Based on the data in the spreadsheet, the Model S with the 85Kwh battery would get about 2.9 miles per Kw or 240 miles on a full charge to empty. I assume that the 60 Kwh battery version would be about 10-20% lighter and thus would probably do a little better on mpKw. Of course, that's on this particular trip. I think that I probably need to get the 85Kwh battery since I plan on trips of around 140 miles with no supercharger for the near future.

Thanks Portia for sharing your charging data.

The data demonstrates that at high state of charge (SoC)the Supercharger charges at no more than the charging rate of a High Power Wall Connector (HPWC). For example, when your Model S was charged with a starting SoC of 74% it charged at an average rate of 58 miles of range per hour getting it to an ending SoC of 88%.

This reduction in charging rate means that the degradation in battery life due to charging in Range mode with a Supercharger should be no worse than when using a HPWC.

Larry

Yes, the recent tech comments coming from TM say ad lib Supercharging is not a problem.

@David Trushin, as mentioned in the travel blog, I was driving mostly between 65-75 miles per hour speed, even 75 seemed slow at times on the highway where the speed limit was 70. Anyway, if you want to drive like that then the range is lowered, but if you have Superchargers along the way, you can do it easily. Go for the 86Kwh battery, yes. I would do it just so I don't have to drive 55mph on the highway!

I have done my second trip, here is the data for both trips on separate sheets of the spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiPMcB_QUHj_dG5kSjBUMUpjSFR...

somehow I did not see a single Tesla at either Harris Ranch or Tejon Ranch at all. Saw one in Gilroy on the road, not at supercharger, and then saw another one a block from home!

Tejon Ranch now has 6 operating SC's, on the return trip, we got 300mph charging, the way down, only about 200mph. Sort of reversed at Harris Ranch, don't know why the charge rate vary.

Awesome data portia! I tried to do the same when we did a Vegas run via Barstow. Your Wh/mi seem a bit more than what I got. Our worst was 333 Wh/mi with 70-80 mph cruising. I have noticed that if you are in a pack of cars at that speed, I think the air gets moving and the car sees less resistance. I could tell when the pack would break up and I found myself alone I was heavier on the throttle.
Long trips like that makes it fun to see the reactions of people who notice the S. They'll slow down and speed up to get a look from all angles.
Another cool thing is that it doesn't cost anything! It was weird to fully realize thru that experience, making a trip like that and not having to have a budget for fuel! Makes for more Vegas fun! We saw a show with the money we normally spent on fuel!
I love the Barstow location cause I love Chili's! The superchargers (and charging in general) are really transparent to me. I would eat there anyway, so might as well charge up. Then we get to Vegas and hit the shoppes at Mandalay bay, so might as well charge up!

@CnJsSigP, how was your energy usage from Barstow to LV? I'll be doing that stretch in a few days, driving home to Vegas from Fremont, but in a 60 kWh. That segment has me a bit worried, though I intend to do a range charge in Barstow. I know I'll make it into town, but all the way home is not quite as certain (just shy of 170 miles).

blep;
At that distance I'd guess you'd be smarter to budget 60 mph, and then speed up only if you built up a surplus of "projected range".

So if the 85 kW almost ran out of juice between Harris Ranch & Tejon Ranch - then the 60kW wouldn't be able to make it from one to the other supercharger right?

I guess that depends on how much charge the 85 kWh had at Harris Ranch and how it was driven. At about 115 miles, I sure hope it's not a problem for the 60.

If I understood @portia's excel file then the car had 240 projected miles at Harris Ranch.
And after driving the 116 miles it had just 16 projected miles left.

Since 60 only gets you ~210 projected miles even a full charge will be 30 miles less than what @portia started with.

Even if I were to drive at 55 (@portia was driving around 65), it will gain me a few more projected miles - but will that be enough to make it?

@blep...
Here is the data I collected on my run. I used an external GPS to track current, avg and Max speed hold, as well as elevation change point to point. 3 people in car and lots of luggage for a 4 day, 4 night stay.
Home to Barstow- 125 miles, 1300 ft elevation gain, it was a light to medium rain and in the 50's. We used seat heaters and cabin heat since we had a third passenger in the back. Our average speed was 51.5, cruising between 65-70, Max speed 76. Used 41kW and avgd 333 Wh/mi.
Barstow to Vegas- 160 miles, 300 ft elevation drop, mostly dry weather some light misting along the way. Sun was now up so no heat was used for the duration of this test. Avg speed was now 66.7 cruising between 70-80, Max speed was 83. (Range anxiety is officially in the rear view mirror!) Used 48kW and avgd 306 Wh/mi.
I want to add we initially plugged in at Mandalay bay shoppes, but had several charging drops or reduced current. I was still running 4.0 software with no app, so I had no idea I wasn't getting a charge. We later plugged in at Venetian and it was much more reliable.
Vegas to barstow- 160 miles, 300 ft gain. Temps in the 60's. Dry. Avg speed was 66.5 cruising at 70-80, Max at 84. Used 53 Kw and avgd 338 Wh/mi.
Barstow to home- 125 miles, 1300 ft drop. Avg speed was 61.6 due to slowing thru LA, but I was really booking it on this run, praying I wasn't gonna get a ticket, but I had to push the car and my comfort zone. Cruising between 75-85 with Max speed of 89. Here's the kicker... notice the elevation drop? Yeah, smoking the left lane I used only 36Kw and avgd 294 Wh/mi!!!
My avgs for entire trip after 605 miles were 195Kw used and avgd 322 Wh/mi.
Hope this helps and have fun! I wanna go back now that I know all I really have to pay for is a hotel!

@ckanuga

I've read reports of 60 kwh Model S trips from the Bay Area to the LA area using the Superchargers. No reports of anyone stranded. It must be doable.

hold on, sorry folks, the Projected range is a bad number to look at, we were fooled by it because just prior to getting into Harris Ranch we were going downhill, and thus the projected range is higher than reality, I looked at that number and thought we were charged enough to go, but no. Look at the RATED range, I only had 171 miles, and I thought that was plenty because it was only 110 miles away. but not at 70+ mph.

We were plenty safe when charged to 200 rated miles on this trip, and going faster.
Be sure to look at the data for both trips.

We had someone pulling behind us and then taking out their camera to take photos of us.


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