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Data share plane required to bluetooth phone to car?

OK, just made the leap to the 21st century with my first smart phone (iphone) in prep for MS delivery early April. :-) I noticed, that bluetooth cannot be turned on on the iphone with a single-phone plan. Similarly, making the iphone a WiFi hotspot requires a data-share plan, unless one jail breaks it. So it seems that bluetoothing the iphone to the car to use Pandora or music library requires a data-share plan on the smart phone. Is that correct? No complaint, just try figure out how things work and to be prepared.

[And if anybody wonders, why I'm getting a MS, I'm plenty techy, just not on the phone.]

Definitely not correct. I've only ever had a single phone plan and have bluetooth with no problems. AT&T require iPhones to have data plans - assume the same is true with other carriers.

There should be no connection between bluetooth and the phone/data plan - in fact if you take the SIM out bluetooth should still work.

OK, I am on my 7th iPhone, starting with #1 in 2007, a lemon, then my 1st iPhone 3 was a lemon..... By the way, Model S to me is analogous to the first few iPhones....great car, with flaws... but the greatness makes me overlook the flaws, but I digress.

There will be plenty of people more techy than me on phones, but I have handed down 4 iPhones to my son over the years, until he got his own 3 months ago.

Unless my understanding is out of date, he could always use the iPhone as a high end iPod Touch, without any carrier plans. Meaning, bluetooth works, wifi works, iTune works, browsing internet works on wifi, camera works. He could not make phone calls, or text, as he had no data or voice plans. He had iPods the whole time too, but a iPhone w/o carrier plan was always superior to iPod Touch.

Bluetooth is not a data feature and should not be dependendent on a data plan, unless there is some new trend where phone manufacturers are building in a "switch" that allows carriers to turn the capability on or off so that they could charge for it. That would suck though, as there is no technical reason for it.

When you use bluetooth, it is not using any cellular connection. It's just your phone connecting locally to your car or ear piece, or whatever.

Yes, when you buy a phone, it is yours. If you don't have carrier service, the phone is still yours. If you take out the SIM card, I don't see how the carrier can remotely "wipe" your phone, nor should it be legal. Same with wifi.

inverts, you can definitely use Bluetooth to make phone calls and listen to music including Pandora. Essentially acting as a hands-free / wireless headphone.

What you seem to be talking about is called Hotspot / Tethering over WiFi / Bluetooth. In those cases, Tesla currently doesn't support it regardless of your phone plan. The car already has built-in 3G and doesn't need your phone for data.

When Tesla supports WiFi tethering, they will probably make you pay for 3G service. Depending on the details, you may need a shared data plan and register your car as an iPad. Then you will get WiFi tethering with that plan. If you decide to tether only, you still need a shared plan, so might as well add your car anyways.

thanks for everybody coming to the same conclusion. Great!

Had a problem that BT could not be turned on. After a bit of googling, power-off -- restart enabled me to turn BT on again. Good ol' restart saved the day! Next step would have been resetting network settings.

Tried BT connection from MacBook to iphone; got them recognizing each other, but no real sharing. Was able to BT two laptops together no problem, but neither of the LTs permitted any data exchange with the iphone. Got some strange info off some help sites, that iphone on single-device-plan cannot be BTed to laptop, but laptop BT menu explicitly includes mobile phone (?!?), and again the sites referred to BT to laptop requiring a shared data plan for a BT = tethering connection. Nothing Tesla specific, so will have to do a trip to the mall, going back and forth between applestore and Tesla showroom. Joyjoy.

So it seems indeed, that despite the fact the BT should not be device or plan dependent, cell providers make it dependent upon device and plan (unless you jailbreak it).

lr. Hmm, you cannot currently connect a MS by BT to a smartphone? There are a lot of posts on this forum that indicated otherwise. This is regarding skipping when streaming music from phone to MS. So there seem to be multiple issues, both with what the involved devices are, and what the BT connection does (sending wireless, i.e., 3/4G/LTE or stored file transfer).

I guess I opened a little Pandora's box. Now I need a sword to disentangle that Gordian knot.

My Galaxy S3 pairs with the MS for phone and audio using BT. The phone sharing works pretty well, with a few glitches in the times shown for previous calls and getting timely updates of information from the phone. And the voice command to "Call xxx" is a great feature - not only to make call to someone - but you can also use that to navigate to the contact's address.

I only use the BT audio to play audio books through Audible, which uses a proprietary file format (that the MS wouldn't be able to play) - plus the Audible player automatically bookmarks the last position - so I don't have to hunt though 10+ hours of audio to find my last spot. I've had a couple of instances of skipping - which was easily fixed by pausing and resuming the audio (it's possible this happens when BT data is being exchanged for the phone sharing).

I've given up on trying to share music between my GS3 and the audio system. The BT connection only supports running an audio application on the phone - no browsing for music. And the MS doesn't have compatible software to access the music via USB. So I purchased an inexpensive USB thumb drive - and use that for all of my music - which is probably a better solution for now, until the onboard music storage is enabled.

As for using the phone for Internet access - that could be a little tricky - since the carriers want to charge for the extra "hotspot" service. Though I would like to have an option to use my cell phone's LTE service because it's got to be more performant than the 3G that's in the car now.

Do you have any teenagers around? They can explain...

inverts

Basically what the iphone to MS bluetooth connection is an audio connection. If you have your phone connected over bluetooth you can make calls using your car's speakers and microphone, you can also listen to music that is on your phone (or your Pandora app) through your cars speakers, you can even get your phone's turn by turn directions to port through your speakers by using bluetooth.

What you currently cannot do is use your phone's internet connection to allow the car to access the internet (either through a bluetooth connection or a wifi connection) While the MS is supposed to get a software update that will allow it to access wifi networks, most cell phone providers charge extra to turn the phone into a wifi hotspot. (not going into jailbreaking here)

Inverts - "lr. Hmm, you cannot currently connect a MS by BT to a smartphone? There are a lot of posts on this forum that indicated otherwise."

The first sentence in my response to you was: "you can definitely use Bluetooth to make phone calls and listen to music including Pandora. Essentially acting as a hands-free / wireless headphone."

So, I'm not sure where you got the impression that I was denying that. My first sentence is saying YES YOU CAN CONNECT A MS BY BT TO A SMARTPONE.

What you CANNOT do is use the Internet off your phone directly (eg. use your phone's data plan to power the MS web browser). The Pandora music is not a "file transfer" or "Internet sharing", it is through the wireless headphone profile of BT. The same way you can get a pair of BT headsets that know as much about Pandora as the white earbuds that come with your phone.


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