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Horrible back seats! Almost a deal breaker!

I used to live overseas and had drivers, so I pay more attention to the back seats than most people do. Living back here in the US, I DON'T have a driver, but I've got kids now. Just babies, but my wife and I take turns sitting in back with them (for now, one's just one and we've got another bun in the oven).

The back seats of the Model S are HORRIBLE. There is, of course, the well known problem of the sloping roof which has me, at all of 5'8" tall, bouncing my head on the ceiling. But beyond that, the seats are angled wrong, and just not comfortable. At the very least, Tesla should have made the seats adjustable a bit for recline as there is nothing behind them. I suspect that Elon's demands for the children's seats in the back might have made that difficult. I suspect the child seats won't be a popular option, so they might consider dropping them if they interfere with the recline of the back seats.

My wife and I went and looked at the new Lexus Hybrid ES this week to make sure before we pulled the trigger and finalized our order. I have to say, the fit and finish of the ES is far superior to the S. And the back seat is FAR, FAR better.

Thank god cooler heads prevailed after I groveled until my wife relented.

So I'm still getting a Model S, but only just.

Tesla: PLEASE IMPROVE YOUR BACK SEATS!

@Volker.Berlin - I vote that Tesla should bump you up the queue or give you some freebies or something.

@HenryT2 - You might be interested in trying out a Model S with the panoramic roof. There is an extraordinary difference in rear seat headroom, much more than you might expect. As such, your posture in the back seat of the car with the panoramic roof will be different and you might find the rear seats not nearly as uncomfortable, including the angle at which they are pitched.

Until you actually experience it for yourself this may not sound plausible. In my personal experience at the test drives the rear seat in Model S with panoramic roof was tremendously more comfortable than with the hard top because my posture was more natural and relaxed and I did not require slouching to avoid bumping my head.

From the perspective of rear seat passenger head room and comfort Model S is almost a completely different car with and without the panoramic roof.

@Volker.Berlin

Sorry - The thread was on TMC.

http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/11011-Model-S-owners-what-would-You-do-if-the-child-seats-won´t-make-it-into-production

And I'd venture to say that Volker knows more about the Model S than many Tesla employees.

@HenryT2

I agree with others that the seats are unusually roomy and there is plenty of leg room. You could say the same for a park bench. But that's not the comfort that you'd like to see in the back of a "luxury" automobile.

I'm appreciative of the sacrifice my little boy will be making so that I can have the world's coolest car. I may start taking him to the park more frequently so he can start getting used to the bench feel :)

I'm 6’8 and road in the back for a couple trips just fine. I don't hit my head with pano unless I lean way back so I wouldn't want to be able to adjust the seat. I have rear seats now that recline and I've only ever changed it to make room for storage. No passenger has ever asked me to change the setting even after I offered. I didn't even know our panorama has this setting either til I read it here so it doesn't seem very useful,

With my panoramic roof, the seat is very comfortable. The store betas were not as good as the final product. YMMV.

Michael23;
Heh. Who managed to bump you from the front? A friend's test drive? Did you need to use the middle seat for visibility? Torso height seems to vary a lot amongst exceptionally tall men; the "normal" sitting height for men is 70 cm/28" (women 10 cm/4" less), but it varies some with those at either end of the distribution. What's yours?

And now that you mention it, I don't recall ever seeing anyone adjust a rear seat!

PS; I assume you rode there, not "road". Gave me the image of the cars Fred Flintstone used. ;)

I test drove a P85 yesterday. I have to sign my final order and wanted to make sure that I was not missing out.

Unfortunately, my test drive was during rush hour so I did not get much of an opportunity to push the car much. Also, it was dark. The freeway was bumper to bumper, so the few opportunities to floor the accelerator were on a few quiet back roads.

WOW! The P85 is fast! TOO FAST for flooring the accelerator on windy back roads at night with insufficient illumination.

Anyway, the point is, I got to check the back seat again. Apparently, Tesla has modified the position of the overhead lights in the back giving a little more headroom. Also, this was a panoramic. Further, it might have been my imagination, but the seat seemed a little more plush and the angle seemed a little more reclined. All in all, a far more acceptable seat than the one I remember sitting in. Can't put your head back all the way without hitting the ceiling, but except for that "sleeping" position, it was not bad at all.

Of course, I checked the back seat after I took the car out. At this point, it could have been one of those nail beds that swamis laid on and I would have been fine with it.

P.S. As awesome as the P85 is, I've decided I'm going to stick to the 40kWh. Talk about extremes, eh? But I just don't need the extra acceleration or battery life. With the $35K I save, I could almost buy another 40kWh or maybe an X.

HT2;
I kinda imagine that once TM gets its "pre-owned" operation up and running, along with its leasing, there will be lots of people swapping up and down in battery size.

I thought I saw something in one of the other threads (or maybe on TMC) about Elon insisting that the rear seats be re-engineered?

That was the child seats, not the rear seats.

From TMC thread Tela Store Grand Opening comment from George regarding some of the delays "Also rear seats had to go through a design change because of Elon's high standards and required retesting and such."

Apparently, Tesla has modified the position of the overhead lights in the back giving a little more headroom. Also, this was a panoramic. Further, it might have been my imagination, but the seat seemed a little more plush and the angle seemed a little more reclined. All in all, a far more acceptable seat than the one I remember sitting in. Can't put your head back all the way without hitting the ceiling, but except for that "sleeping" position, it was not bad at all. (HenryT2)

Thank you for posting your follow-up. I am very glad to hear about your second impression.

@HenryT2 - The rear seats likely have not been modified from the car you originally sat in. The panoramic roof makes all the difference. If you order your car without the pano roof you will experience the same difficulties you did originally. I predict you will be extremely sorry with the back seat experience if you do not order the pano roof and just fine with the back seat if you do order the pano roof.

Were you sitting in the Child Seats in the third row?

If you think those are bad, you should try the the comfort of the rear facing seats. Not comfortable at all at 5'8" ;)

But, seriously I agree the angle of the rear seats aren't great, but they were acceptable for us.

Some report the pano roof only makes a difference when sitting upright or leaning forward. Not the usual.

6'6". I recall I fit.

Henry T2 I fully agree with you. The entire inside combining poor quality of the seats. Limited adjustments of the seats in the front and lack of storage space made me pull out my deposit.


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