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keyless fob security?

Like most modern cars now they have keyless fobs. Will the model S have this? Theres articles about keyless fob hacking to gain access to the car. Either way a car can be broken into or even fooled into letting someone in that thinks its the owner.

I know other EV cars have apps on there phone to tell you how much charge your battery has, but could there be an app for the model S that has this function, but also tell you that your car is active? Possibly have a security feature thats password locked that sends a kill switch message to your car?

And an abstract idea that, well maybe you're at a party and get pushed into the pool by some overzealous friends. Your fob gets ruined but, your phone is saved (just for the sake of the phone not getting in the drink too) so you could use your app to open the door and start the car remotely.

Just a few ideas that could be implemented mayhaps.

FYI, I accidently stepped into a swimming pool with my keyless FOB for my Hyundai still in my pocket. It was submerged for a good 10 seconds before I realized that it was still in my pocket. I thought I was screwed, but fortunately the fob still worked.

I would like a security app on the phone that lets you kill power to the car. Nothing like a car jacker taking your car and you killing the power a half mile away. I'm sure there would liability issues, like killing a stolen car and causing an accident or somehow the thief suing you because you messed up his getaway or something like that, or unlawful restraint.

Here's my premise- you lock the car and have your cell phone kill power to the drive system (if it can be done and only power the door opening AND alarm), that way the fob only opens the door and you have to type in a code on your phone to reenable the drive system power.

The following would be the way to better protect your car
1. Exit car and close door (auto lock based on FOB)
2. Type in code in phone (disables drive system electricity)
3. Walk up to car- door handle comes out (FOB)
4. Type in code on cell phone (enables drive system electricity)
5. Start car (FOB)

I envision an app where you type in the VIN and based on the VIN sends the signal to your car

Why do you think using your smart phone is safer than the FOB?

Someone can hack into your shiny smart phone. If he finds an app that opens the door and starts your car, some $100,000 for writing this hack is going to quickly pay for!

Best way for better security is less components.

What I want from TESLA is a key FOB to open the door, then unlock my car by entering PIN into touch screen. When left, the car should automatically lock doors and the drive system. And it is not so hard to build a battery powered device that withstands being submersed in water (ever heard of IP57?). Of course, we should expect a key FOB with state-of-the-art protection against signal hijacking from TESLA.

I am pretty sure TESLA has a remote kill feature in the roadster. IMHO, such feature should be only operated by car manufacturer.

Smart phone app is useful for monitoring state of charge, find my vehicle (GPS based), check and adjust temperature and so on. No kill switch. No security related app stuff, please.

Volker

Well the general gist of a kill switch on the phone app is it wouldnt be easily accessible, even if the phone is hacked into or stolen. That would still require a PIN too.

And It was just a general idea anyway to see what other people would think.

I think this functionality is something some people will want. The Nissan leaf will be able to remotely (through smartphone/web browser) turn on ac/heat to achieve desired car temp ahead of time... Tesla should match this at least, and anti-theft technology is a must... So drivetrain kill is standard these days... But would be nice to be able to do away with key altogether... Fob to open doors if you want, but failsafe system... Biometric?!

Would be nice if my phone could act as the fob. Download the FOB app! New phones will come with NFC (Near Field Communications) which essentially allow your phone to be your wallet. Why couldn't this be used to allow a secure connection with your car?

I don't like the idea of killing the car remotely, but I do like the idea of knowing where my car is at all times, even if the main battery appears to be depleted. Via my phone I should be able to locate my car instantly, even if it's moving.

Would be awesome to only have one "thing" to keep track of.

Like the Find My iPhone, you want a Find My Model S.app, love that idea. I have a daughter moving into her teens and soon of driving age, I know she will leave my car alone but just in case.

well it shout feature a mode to set the car to kids mode limiting the top speed and acceleration
and maybe a parking-boy mode (max 10mph)

In Canada, the Roadster will not start without the FOB. You must unlock the car with the FOB before turning the key. You also have to start the car within about 30 seconds of hitting the unlock button on the FOB.

If you don't, a message will pop up on the touchscreen telling you to hit the unlock button. Once you hit the button it will then start up.

This is different from the US version; apparently it is a new Canadian requirement to have an "immobilizer" feature. We've had such rampant car theft up here it seems like a damned good idea.

I don't want to press any buttons on my key to enter or start the car. I like the way toyota did that on the prius. I have my key in the pocket, my hand is close to the door handle it unlocks. I get in press 'Start' and away we go.

there are enough technical solutions to avoid scanning problems and so on, that will not requiere any phone apps or passwords typed in before starting.

This is a very interesting thread.

I have a Lexus HS250 and I love the fob. That said, I also have a Ford Escape Hybrid (no fob, old fashioned key!) which has a keypad on the door for entry - which I also love.

Given the software driven way this car will be run I imagine there will be customizations available. I may want to live by the fob (leave it in my pocket), but my wife may want to live by the pin.

I do like the idea of managing the car (ac/heat/charge status) from an IP enabled device. The remote kill does, however, give me concerns for safety... though I'm sure they will think of how that works.

The Canadian regulations do not actually require a button on the FOB; keyless is okay. I believe the Roadster's implementation was just the simplest way for them to retrofit the Canadian requirement, because it didn't require modifying the FOB.

The bottom line is that in Canada an electronic interlock is required to start the car; with the new regulations a physical key alone isn't enough. So keyless is definitely the way to go.

I may be wrong on this, but I recall that the system in the car is/or can be in communication with Tesla and its data base. If so, if coming out to where your car is you discover it missing, you call Tesla, they contact the police in the location where the GPS indicates the car is located, and in communication with the police power down the car in a safe manner when its location is discovered.

Sound like SciFi. :-)

But is true. Not necessarily for Tesla, but similar systems do exist. GPS locators and remote power off. Some systems allow you to call your car with mobile phone and tell it to power off.

Tesla can retrieve GPS coordinates if you have enabled GSM log download. I have heard of one occasion where that was used to recover a stolen Roadster.

It's quite common now for car thieves to leave a vehicle parked in an obscure location for a week, to make sure it doesn't have GPS tracking. If it does the car will disappear, if not they can have their way with it.


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