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Placed my order last weekend...getting nervous about certain posts

Good Afternoon/Evening Fellow Tesla enthusiasts,

I am not a guy with tons of money in the bank, I simply make a good salary along with my wife and have always wanted to treat myself to a Fast, nice, luxurious car. I love cars. I have had many over the year, Toyo Priuses, BMW Z3, Nissan Maxima ect. I currently own 2 chevy volts. The itch to get a performance electric car has taken over... ;-) I am approved for financing and am realizing that this is a HUGE commitment and want to make sure I am not being someone else's beta tester. I have an order (not yet confirmed) for the 85kwh (not performance). with the tech, sound system along with dual chargers. I wanted the sunroof but have read too much chatter on here about wind noise/leakage ect. I am very concerned about this. Additionally, I have seen pictures of cars where the paint is not absolutely flawless. Elon personally was stating he wanted them to come out with "piano finishes". This seems to be a theme of cars needing to go to detail shops. Am I disillusioned about the company and car? I am am a HUGE fan of Elon and his work. I really want a Model S but for the amount of time I will be paying for it, it needs to be perfect.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you everyone.
Regards,
Basil

nothing is ferfect in this world, but tesla is close

Well, I've had Model S 60 kwh for one week--so not a lot of experience. So far, it's been great. I don't know why you need the dual chargers--we don't drive a lot but the 220 outlet has been just fine for charging at night. I even used the 110 outlet and though slow, over the evening it charged enough too. Lack of side cameras is a bit disappointing and the backup camera lacks the lines that help get a depth perception that other cars have. The base sound system seems fine to me, but obviously I'm no stereo-phile (I'm guessing that's a completely out of date term)!. We have children in the back child's seat and I think we'll have to tint for California summers!

This forum have several comments where the service center was able to resolve the wind noise on the Pano. Growing pains.

We own a Volt and two Model S's. You will LOVE your Model S!! I would get the pano, and apply limo tint. Enjoy your Model S and welcome to the club...

Have you had a chance to sit in one or drive one yet? If you're risking your financial future, you might consider that due diligence.

Have my 85 with all the whistles and bells since mid april. 7500 miles. Great car. Will never switch back. Minor issues. Got a warning to service tire sensor on first day out. Was a common teething problem. Replaced my sensor and no problems since. Have a creeking pano roof. It is due to using the wrong adhesive which does melt in the sun. was gonna get it done with my 6000 mile tire rotation but decided it was too time consuming so will get it done with my first service. Basically they need to clean out the old adhesive and replace it with the good stuff. Bottom line for most of us its hassle free. Sure there are some potential risks as this is a new technology and we are pioneers. I become more and more comfortable each day and enjoy my commutes. If you can afford the car get it. you won't regret it and get the pano roof if you like sunroofs.Keeping it open will burn more electrons, but what the heck if you have the electrons to spare enjoy your car and dont drive 55 on the freeway with your sunroof closed and the A/C off.

We can't advise you on your finance, but the car is great, and dirt cheap to operate.

Just got my MC Red S85 with flawless paint...O

No problems with my paint, or pano roof. Love the extra head room. Sun and heat blocking ability of the glass is impressive. I don't feel any need to tint. Can't see a need for dual charger unless you drive more than 200 miles a day and only have 6 hours to charge at night.

If it has to be perfect, don't buy the car. Nothing is perfect. However I think that misses the point. This car is simply so much better than any other car I have owned, and many others on the forum have agreed, that I believe you are buying a different class of transportation. If it has to be perfect, don't buy. But if you're satisfied with an imperfect car that is better than any "perfect" ICE car could ever be then do your due diligence and if it fits, buy it.

Well, you always find nitpickers in forums like these. Paint isn't an issue (I'd advise not getting the protection "bra" as it is only half hood and you can see the line). Pano roof has been great and I like the extra headroom - but you need to figure out whether the headroom is worth it for you. You are unlikely to need dual chargers unless you take long road trips in areas without superchargers and even then it is only useful if you find 70A J1772 public chargers.

Great car, and if there are fit or finish issues (unlikely by now), Tesla will fix it.

Pano roof gives you extra headroom. We had some creaking when we first received the car (back in September 2012) and the ranger came to our home and did something...completely fixed the issue. No creaking at all. Car has been great for all 14,000 miles and now I've placed an order for another, with the pano roof. I also ordered the twin chargers, more for possible future use, but that's the only part of the order I have second thoughts about. The Model S we already own is damn near perfect -- and there hasn't been another car I would have ever said that about.

My car was delivered with a paint issue and a wind noise issue. I am pleased to report that Tesla picked up the car and sent it back with both of these problems corrected.

for the paint part, someone suggested a vinyl wrap. Might work for you. Your mileage may vary.

Triscb82,

My best advice to you would be to keep your expectations grounded. You say you want a perfect car, but the Model S is not perfect. Not only is this Tesla's 2nd vehicle ever, but it's also the first iteration of their 2nd ever vehicle. It's never been done before, let alone on this scale. As a manufacturer, you do the best that you can. At some point you have to release it into the wild and roll with the punches.

What really impresses me is Tesla's responsiveness. Their executives address issues personally when needed; the feedback loop on design and manufacturing issues is short and many of the issues you read about in these forums have already been addressed on the assembly line. The folks at Tesla really do care - I doubt working there is "just a job" for the majority of employees. These people all have an incredible passion for their products. If issues do pop up, Tesla seems willing to do what it takes to make it right.

Tesla is barely 10 years old and by the end of this year will have shipped fewer than 30,000 vehicles in sum total during its entire 10 year existence. Tesla employs approximately 2,900 employees and occupies only about 25% of its one single plant in Fremont (NUMMI). Compare that to GM, which has over 200,000 employees, has been around for more than 100 years, has shipped countless millions of vehicles in 37 different countries, and owns 150 manufacturing plants. Tesla has a tiny fraction of GM's resources with which to design, build and sell a car that is a first of its kind technology and to build an infrastructure to support it. Ponder those numbers for a moment and imagine the odds against Tesla. Yet just last week, GM formed a special committee to study Tesla and why they are successful.

So yes, you may have to deal with some issues. No product is perfect. But you'll be taken care of while surfing along the bleeding edge of automotive technology. If you are generally a risk averse person, I would recommend waiting a year. I tend to jump in with both feet! :)

1) "Someone else's beta tester:"

There's a percentage of imperfections that happen with all ICE, not just Tesla. Even GM Volt & Fisker Karma caught fire, but not Tesla. Tesla survives accidents as if it's a tank:

http://www.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/model-s-safe

I wouldn't call it "beta". This car went through alpha, beta testing and has been running in real life by ordinary drivers like you and me since June 2012. It spent through one bitter winter and survived all critics.

I portrait it as "evolving". If you have access to the password to the 17" screen display, you can see the features that are not offered but you can read them all there:

Blind Spot Detection
Adaptive Cruise
Lane Departure Warning

When I brought home my Model S, it did not have a security alarm, but within a week, I woke up one morning, suddenly, it is as if someone worked overnight and installed the alarm system in my car. It upgraded the features itself through wireless updates.

The same thing with voice commands, critics were complaining that why would you want to buy a car without voice commands! But voila! One morning, suddenly, Yep! I have been using voice commands to play particular songs and look up addresses, business for navigation.

Look:

That's my odometer: 18,319 miles for the past 7 months trouble-free and with great annual check service. You paid once and then it's dirt cheap! I have not bought one single drop of oil for the past 7 months. I sold my ICE away immediately and stop flying. I would not call that "beta".

2) "Sunroof:" I did not buy that option , but I did experience it with a loaner while waiting for my annual service and it worked fine and quiet all day that I drove.

By the way, you'd better pay up for active air suspension because I do see the difference: much smoother and quieter.

3) "Paint is not absolutely flawless:" If you watch enough Fedex videos, you would understand that some deliveries got scratches. Tesla would fix it for you, or like many people, you might want to fly in and pick yours up from Fremont, CA factory.

4)" It needs to be perfect:" People still don't appreciate that this is a very small company, very new company, so there are growing pains that you might have to go in the process. You just need to work with it!

i got mine in july 2013. i have had zero issues. so far all expectations met or exceeded. no doubt it is the best car i have ever owned. my last car was bmw540...it was nice, but model s is so much better in every way.

To me it's all about the cool factor. It can not be the ultimate toy without the pano... and the 21". YMMV.

I got my p85 May 1. No issues. Absolutely love it! You will too.

Tesla Motors has fixed or replaced what was not perfect on my 11,000 mile Sig. Examine the Model S at the Tesla Store. Check everything. Those vehicles are available for sale, so they are production quality. Test drive the 19" wheels and the 21" ones. Test drive the 85 and P85 if you can. Enjoy the search for your favorite Model S.

I took delivery of my MS85 4 weeks ago, have 2K miles on it, and I've had absolutely no problems. This is by far the best car I've ever owned.

I get the sense from the TM and TMC forums that, as one would expect, there are fewer problems with the MS recently than in the early months of production. But, I went into this purchase expecting that I would have more glitches than I would with an automaker that's been around for decades. From what I've read on the forums, Tesla has been very good about correcting problems, both in terms of taking care of its existing customers and tweaking the manufacture of new cars to make improvements.

My understanding is that it's been almost 90 years since a start-up automaker was successful in the United States. Many people take for granted that modern cars are pretty reliable despite their increasing complexity. I'm old enough to remember when cars were far less reliable.

It's a difficult challenge to get there, and I don't expect Tesla's cars to be as trouble free as those from established automakers so early in their existence as a volume producer. But I'm confident that Tesla has a team that is moving toward being among the best for car reliability. I'm willing to put up with some growing pains to both help Tesla succeed AND so I can drive the world's best car TODAY, rather than waiting any longer.

Don't let forum posts or online reviews get to you. There are typically only two kinds of people who participate regularly or post online reviews - those who love it and those who hate it (whether they own it or not). The middle group of perfectly satisfied owners tend not to get involved. But even those who love it tend to be overly critical because we want it to be the absolute best it can be. As a result, what you read tends to be skewed towards the negative. But those criticisms in no way diminish what a great car this is.

From a car guy -> by far the best car we have every had. I have had Lexus, MBs, etc and this MS is a leap ahead in multiple different aspects.
Only one month of ownership and nearly 3k miles - no problems unlike my previous experence with new cars.
Like other MS owners ->will never go back to an ICE car.
You will NOT be disappointed.
IMO - the best car on the market.

You really need to ask yourself about the aforementioned issues. While I do not own a Model S yet, I pay attention to what others are saying. There aren't any reasons out there that should prevent you from moving forward. This car is so new, so exciting that people are hyper focusing, making every attempt to dig up an issue. The bottom line is that the issues are hang nails at best. What you should really concentrate on is the effort that Elon Musk has put into the integrity of the company. If you do have an issue, they will fix it. If you can't be satisfied by Tesla, then there is something wrong with you.

This car is absolutely a game changer. Get in and enjoy the ride.

today is my 6 month anniversay on my S60. I experienced the pano creak issue and the service fixed about two months ago. perfect since then. The only major complaint I have is the vampire loss of range. If you money is an issue, I would skip the twin chargers or get the 60 KwH battery. Just a suggestion unless you have a real need on range and quicker charging. You will not regret getting a Tesla regardless of configuration.

Perfection is unattainable. But it's fun trying.

Just do it! Very good experience, every time I get in the car I smile. Perfect? No, but closer than anything else I've driven. Makes ICE cars seem obsolete .

I got the pano roof and the twin chargers. I've had no issues with the roof at all--it's awesome. As it turns out, the dual chargers were a waste though. Volkerize.

Don't expect perfection. The car would have been a disaster if they attempted to make it be the perfect car for everyone. We're too diverse as a people and our privileged expectations these days are off the hook, imo. Test drive and press forward as you see fit.

Its great. You'll love it.

I had some initial noise issues with the pano roof, but after opening and closing several times, the noise has vanished by itself. It may have just seated itself better.

I took delivery of the vehicle in January, and I had a few initial mechanical problems, but these problems were resolved by the service center, and I have been very happy with the car since. It has been problem free for the last 4-months. I look forward to driving the vehicle every day.


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