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Prayers for those who live in Connecticut

This is not about Model S, so I do apologize, but just wanted to say a prayer to those in Newtown, CT. To those who are buying the MS from CT, our hearts go out to each and everyone of you. I'm a father of a 2 year old and I cannot imagine going through what those 27 families are going through now.

thank you for your understanding.

JC

+1 - 26 families. The murderer does not count.

thanks for the correction. just wrote the number down based on what I heard.

This transcends CN, and applies to us all. It is one of the unfortunate byproducts of modern American society that these events have become all too common, and are always tragic.

The right to bear arms needs a serious rethink. It is a carry over from the wild west days of 150 or more years ago.

@stephen. I agree. It's a complicated matter. I believe in the 2nd amendment, but I think there has to be some control over assult rifles, meant for the military. we have to have a driver's license to drive a car. Not sure what it takes to own a gun--I don't own one.

second issue is mental health in this country. I don't think it is well addressed.

lots to think about....

There have been shootings in other countries with stricter gun control laws:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumbria_shootings

I the above case, the shooter was a licensed firearms holder. I do think we need stricter gun control enforcement, but that alone will not completely prevent these tragedies.

@Jon.

I agree with you. there are other factors than stricter gun controls, including better mental health treatments, etc. however, US ranks #1 in the world with >11 events of mass gun shootings. #2 is Finland with 2 events. There is a lot of work to do (based on Mother Jones reports).

As a father of two elementary school age girls I cannot even begin to wrap my mind around this tragedy. When I try I get physically nauseated.

US has 66X Finland's population. Per capita, its gun "massacres" are thus about 1/12 as frequent.

The 2nd Amendment was explicitly written to prevent the government form appropriating the only recourse to force. It was conceived as an anti-tyranny measure.

Massacre in china lead to no death because the perpetrator had a knife. China is more populous.

And what I said was control for assault rifles. Not get rid of 2nd amendment.

Brian, do you just like to antagonize people? Do you have children? People like you are part of the problem in this country.

This board has been mercifully free of politics. One thread has already veered into discussions about the veracity of global warming, let's avoid another. I live 15 miles from Sandy Hook Elementary and come here for a respite from this kind of thing. I have my own opinions that I share elsewhere but I keep them to myself on these forums. I kindly ask that others do likewise ... we can get riled up enough regarding folding mirrors and headrests.

@John...I'm sorry. I just wanted to send my condolences and that was my intension only since I have a 2 year old little girl and I cannot imagine going through what the families are going through there. I've also faced a lot of death as a pediatric oncologist during my training.

I will stop posting to this thread.

thank you.

@jchangyy, not faulting you for posting the thread and appreciate your original sentiments. I was referencing the subsequent discussion regarding gun control law and 2nd amendment. It can only go downhill from there.

We are all grieving in our own ways..sadness, anger, frustration. This is a terrible tragedy that words cannot cover. I live near Columbine and have treated the surviving victims of the school & movie theatre Colorado shootings. Hold your family close & talk with loved ones. Talk face to face. Talk.

I was shopping at Fashion Island (Newport Beach) this afternoon, and some NUT started shooting in the parking lot. People were running everywhere, it was crazy! Now mind you, this is the same shopping complex where Tesla Orange County has it's showroom. All the stores (including Tesla) when into lockdown, and everyone was scrambling into the big department stores for safety!

Me, I was heading toward the parking lot to make sure my MS was safe... (go figure). I wasn't remotely scared, I was pissed!!!! Enough of this crap! Time to start snapping the necks of these idiots, and put their sorry-asses in permanent traction from the neck down, so they can sit in a prison sipping through a tube!

Sorry for my rant, my emotions are very heightened right now :-(

+1 @johnq. I live one town over, have a first grader, and knew some of the victims. Th condolences and thoughts are welcome.

Let the political discussion happen on political forums. This forum should be about the love and enjoyment of the car.

TikiMan.....very disturbing....I hope that nobody was hurt.

May not really be Mr. Freeman's take, but I saw this while surfing this morning:

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Morgan Freeman's brilliant take on what happened yesterday :

"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.

It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.

CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.

You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."

+1 to Morgan Freeman.

For the record, I don't know the names of any of the shooters in any of these incidents, and I don't plan to change that anytime soon.

@Tikiman: I'd be down for that, but we'd get sued for putting them in traction.

The President spoke eloquently In Newtown last evening. Sounds like he, at least, will try to band assault weapons. Let us hope.

Morgan Freeman was apparently not the author of the Facebook quote. My concern with the faux Freeman quote was the advice to not look at gun control at the end...we must. It's not too soon to do something about this (and access to mental health treatment) and whatever else; It's too late for too many.

Single Payer Universal Healthcare/Medicare for All, from cradle to grave is one of the best proactively preventions to avoid another tragic massacre.

Children need to be tended by health professional as soon as they are born. Throughout a person's life, both physical and mental health should be shamelessly automatic as a human right regardless of economic status.

We have so much money to bail out Wall Street, and it takes much less to cover all the US from birth to death. It is time to extend Medicare to every one regardless of age!

2009 CNA/NNU study which found Medicare for all/single payer would create 2.6 million new jobs.

http://nurses.3cdn.net/c6fb9a313be501086e_1vm6y1duy.pdf

jchangyy,

Brian is very witty, and I respect his opinion on many issues, but he enjoys being a contrarian. But he's certainly NOT one of the people that are part of the problem in THIS country.

He lives in a country where he enjoys many of the advantages that we don't have here, and advocates for many of the things are bad here. But he does NOT have to experience them. It would, I suppose be better for him to move here and enjoy what he's longing for.

@jbunn,

Thanks for clarification. My initial intentions was to show my respect and condolences for the victims of this horrific incident. Nothing more, nothing less. I certainly did not intend to go into a ranting arguments with another poster. Especially when I had no idea that he doesn't even live in this country.

Having had personal experience with gun violence it's quite insulting for someone to talk about an issue they don't quite understand, nor everyhave to live with. I certainly have no respect for someone who makes comments without understanding the pain of those who live with the consequences of such violence. Now, I'm thinking maybe I should not have posted it at all.

goodnite,

@jchangyy, you wrote that Finland had two "mass gun shootings". How do you define that, and what is your source? I'll ask because I don't remember any. Usual "stole my father hunting rifle and killed someone with it" are quite normal, but these "go to school and kill everything in sight are new phenomenon".

I actually don't think that easy access to guns per se are fundamental problem here, it is the root cause of this behavior. People are getting ill (mentally), probably because uncertain future (and I'm not talking about 12/21/2012) and inhuman nature of the modern work environments (humans are treated like robots). This problem just gets more extreme consequences with easy access to firearms when otherwise sane person snaps. If you look at these cases not one of the killers were criminals in traditional sense, just ordinary people that snapped.

@Timo,
I think I either heard it on NPR or CNN. Can't remember exactly, but it was on a passing, so I think there are some "qualifiers" that people used to make that statement. I also found the below article that lists "deadliest"--whatever that criteria they used--, which shows higher frequency for US vs. rest of the world. http://nj1015.com/a-look-at-the-deadliest-mass-shootings-worldwide/

This does not include all the mass murders that's doing on in Africa, or other parts of the 3rd world....

I agree with you that the people are becoming more isolated in this country and it's that combination with easier access to high powered weapons that lead to such tragedies. It is also a newer phenomena, as you alluded to earlier, which is why we need to try to have dialogue to figure out a way to prevent this occurring again--if that's possible.

thanks everyone,

Enjoy being a contrarian? I don't think so. But superficial answers and solutions often have 'contrary' consequences.

I ask everyone to please stop responding to this thread so we can let this topic drop. Let's focus on the car.

jchangyy,

You obviously haven't seen the "Test: please ignore" thread lately.... :)

No, I haven't. Hmmm...I just thought I'd ignore it.


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