Can anyone explain why the tesla does not come with a spare tire. plenty of trunk space. Do tesla's not get flat tires
Three reasons - weight, cost, space.
Many cars today are dumping the spare tire for the same reasons. Doesn't mean you won't get a flat. Get an electric tire pump and slime for the car just in case, and have a cell phone to call a tow-truck in case the slime/pump doesn't fix it.
That said, tires seem quite a bit better these days. I think it's been 25 years since my last flat tire at 12K mi/year driving in CA with lots of potholes.
I asked the same question of the sales staff at the Fremont, CA factory. I did not receive a satisfactory answer! I believe there is tire repair kit in a can available at the Tesla accessories store on the Tesla website, but the only "real" response I have gotten is "call us on your cell phone and we will be right there". This didn't say what to do if your flat happens where you have no cell signal! Any flat tires out there? Please share your experience.
BTW - I asked if the MS came equipped with "run-flat tires"? The answer was a resounding "NO"❗
I think the new 5 series has dropped the spare also.
See, rims are getting bigger and bigger nowadays and spares become heavier, bulky and expensive.
Not that any of that is a consolation to the consumer, of course.
Even the Toyota RAV4 here in Norway comes without a spare - but a "free" pump and slime though.
The winter tire package I ordered through Tesla came with run-flat tires, but the summer 21s my car came with aren't.
Remember, these cars have TPMS now. This gives you plenty of warning when the car is running low on pressure. So as long as you don't drive on a low tire for a long time, the chances of a total blowout are very small. Out of the 8+ flats I've had in the past 13 years, not once have I had to use a spare. Most of the time I simply see a nail in the tire and drive straight to the tire shop. The other times where it actually leaked a bit, I simply put a compressor on the tire to re-inflate and then just drive to the tire shop (I have yet to actually need a can of fix-a-flat).
So all my cars have a compressor and that's all I've needed. A cell would be the backup for a total blowout.
Spare tires are a vestigal reminder of early 1900's cars, when tubes and wood rims were in favor. Tire technology has gotten so much better over the past decades that carrying a spare tire is akin to the old practive of carrying a spare set of fuel filter, spark plugs and points, as we had to do in old VW's and MG's. Roads are vastly improved, and the advent of power nailers means there are a lot fewer construction nails laying about to create punctures.
Very few people are prepared to change a tire anymore anyway. There are luddites who still feel it necessary to wrench their own vehicles, and those folks aren't good candidates anyway for a car that gets most of its service via internet intervention. Tire changing is the dirtiest process on the car and jacking is much more difficult and dangerous with cars that weigh twice as much as they did 30 years ago. The tires are twice as big as they were back then, so unwieldy for roadside changes or for carrying inside a pristine vehicle. Much better to call for service in the VERY rare instance that a tire catastrophe occurs.
A spare tire/rim would be useless unless you also carry a jack and a lug wrench. And are strong enough to handle the heavy wheels, or lucky to have a strong Samaritan stop to help!
I have had to change a tire on the road exactly once in 36 years driving. I'm not too concerned.
The pump is handy if your tires leak though.
Well this is all true, however when I call AAA for help they look for a spare tire to change. They do not do tire repairs on the road. Whom do I call if I do not buy Tesla's $600 per year service plan. My AAA plan costs about $70 per year.
A tow truck...
What will you do when you have a tire shred itself in a foot deep pot hole on the Sawmill Pkwy as happened to me three weeks ago?
I have bad luck with tires, though not with the Tesla. Had 2 flats at once on my MB CLK 500. One on the right front from a pot hole and the other on the left rear of unknown origin, but it was cut in the sidewall so not reparable. Called MB roadside assistance. They sent a flat bed quickly. Lost 1/2 a day, but was on my way with new rubber and one new rim. Had a flat 2 years earlier on the left front. Changed it myself. I'm not proud. Got good at it in the 60s running retreads. Still have the knack, though the jack was pretty lame. I have the Tesla repair kit. Hope I never need it, but I'm not worried about not having a spare. Can't think what part of the capacious interior I would want to give up for a spare tire. How would the Model S look with a continental kit on the rear bumper...kidding.
One other concern with changing a tire on the Tesla manually is the bolt torque is unusually high (I think 125 ft/lbs if memory serves me), which would be quite a task to get these loose and re-tightened by hand. Best to just call roadside assistance and let them deal with it.
@halfmoonfarm - do the same thing you would do with any other disabling repair. Cell phone ==> flatbed ==> tire store or TM service center ==> back on the road. No fuss, no muss.
AAA also runs flatbeds now. They can't get you back on the road anyway. Big, flat, low-profile tires have made spares obsolete. And the torque specs on modern allow wheels like on the Model S make hand-removal/installation nearly impossible without a cheater bar/torque wrench.
I do carry a Slime kit in our Model S, and have a full tire repair kit whenever motorcycling, and carry a spare tube on my road bicycle, because motorcycle and bicycle tires are lot more fragile that car tires. But in our cars, the first thing I do is remove the spare if there is one (including our two trucks) to reduce weight, and instruct the drivers in our household to call a wrecker for any breakdown, including tire damage.
Wow! I can't believe people do not have flats! I guess I am unlucky or maybe conditions are worse here in the PNW. My Lexus just turned 40K miles and I have had four flats on it and it's barley been off the pavement. It has a donut spare and I also keep Fix-a-Flat and an air compressor in the trunk.
How many flats have I had over my driving career? I couldn't even begin to count especially if I include back country roads with my trucks where I often I would not carry one but two spares and sometimes need them both. AAA is not going to come to you in some parts of this country. How would you call them anyway? Satellite phone?
Granted, you wouldn't be driving a Tesla on logging roads, etc. However there are roads here in the PNW that are really fun to drive such as Highway 20, the North Cascades highway where you can get 40 miles from the nearest services and there is no cell phone service.
If I get this car, which I am thinking of doing especially if my Tesla stock keeps climbing, I think I will buy a spare. I can see why many people would not need it but I would not feel comfortable driving from Seattle to Winthrop for example without a spare tire. I am sure not everyone sees the need for a spare but I can't imagine not having one.
I'd recommend getting a compact tire repair kit (compressor & sealant) for peace of mind. While I bought Tesla's at my local service center, there are other similar ones available.
Agincourt - and how would you propose elevating the car to change the tire?
I just motorcycled the PCH from LA to Seattle (including places like hwy 112 and hwy 20) and to visit my son (in the Navy @ Whidbey) before returning to Virginia. I have driven close to a million miles and ridden half a million miles on motorcycles from New Zealand to Russia, and Fairbanks to Key West (includingthe entire length of the Continental Divide trail), and have NEVER had a flat in/on a motor-driven vehicle, including doing some serious rock crawling over jeep roads. What are you doing to make tires so disposable?
I am fastidious about air pressures and do change tires preemtively, but modern tire technology is so good as to not require a spare for most people, even us adventure bikers.
None of you must be from the Northeast, our roads are known for potholes. I have been very unlucky and had to change many a flats. What happens if you get a flat after say 9 pm? Have your car towed to tire place or tesla? For me service center is 30 min away and with little kids its not ideal. Im considering having spare at my house.
Tire kit same as Tesla's is sold at Sears for much less.
Neither of my last two "fun" cars came with a spare. In my case, neither car had the same tire size front to back, so you couldn't rotate the tires anyway. I really don't see it as a loss, but then again I'm carrying an orphanage in my car at night in a bad section of town. On the rare occasion there could be a problem, I'd use tire slime.
If anyone can come up with a good option for grabbing a space saver spare out of, say, maybe a BMW in a junk yard, that would have a similar offset, as well as the right bolt pattern, please let me know the make and model. If nothing else, I think I'd like to have it in the garage.
I had a flat at 3600 miles. Totalled the tire- it was a huge tie-down hook, maybe 5/16 or more in diameter, right in the center of the right rear tread. I found out that it's not covered in a quick call to the local service center. So, I parked it, called for a AAA Flatbed, and towed it to a tire service center. they replaced the tire for about 210. BUT. To this day, I don't know how to hook onto the front- or rear- of an S, to pull it onto that flatbed. We drove it up when we gave up looking. Likewise, even if I had a space saver spare, I don't know if I could find a place to jack that one tire, without damaging anything. I'm betting THAT's covered in the manual.
These are the instructions for pulling the car onto a flat bed. A hard copy came with my car. http://www.teslamotors.com/sites/default/files/blog_attachments/ms_roads...
I have had flats, seems like I must be the only guy here who does. Had 4 in the last 5 years. All doozies. My spare has come in handy
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