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Options list on Model S

I hope the Model S options don't get nickle and dimed to death,like on the 3 German lookalikes....I have cked.all three....and also Jaguar...has the best come as standard with barely 4 options....after adding up the options,on the G/3 the Jaguar was 10 to 15k lower...I refer to the MB E550,BMW 535I,Audi A6....and the Jaguar xj was by far the better deal.....it would be a shame to do that to the Model S..

Nothing says interior luxury like a partially WOOD steering wheel and leather seats. My Lexus has both, and both are Standard (love it)! I'm also hoping for a really nice stereo system and online radio, plus Pandora access - Standard, so I can pull the plug on XM. Icing on the cake would be 32Gig storage for MP3s - Std. For a reasonable upgrade price, I will get the 230mi battery (160mi won't cut it). When purchasing a car for $60K and up, nobody should utter the word "Upgrade". You've paid enough already. (larger battery excluded).
KEEP WORKING GUYS! I CAN'T WAIT TO GET MY MODEL S (with the original grille with T logo in the grill).

agreed,thanks for your input

Honestly, I have no idea, but I came up with the following theory: Tesla's promoted entry price happens to be *exactly* in sync with entry prices for MB E and BMW 5 series. At least here in Europe. Striking coincidence, particularly since Tesla touts the Model S as a competitor to the 5 series with regard to driving experience/dynamics, comfort, build quality etc. I expect the Model S to come with similar stock features as the BMW 5 or the MB E, and I expect the prices for even basic options to be similarly shameless.

Need another hint? Look at what they did with the Roadster: Kept the official base price at the same rate, but increased the cost for a comparable vehicle by at least 10% simply by turning stock features into options...

I hope they do not make to much "luxury" features standard, I don't want any wood or leather in my cars please. I'd hate having to pay extra to "upgrade" to some carbon fibre interior pieces and microfiber seats. Just make black plastic (or aluminium) interior pieces and cloth seats standard please, and let the luxury people pay extra for their wood and leather...

I'm in your kamp, jkirkebo. Leather and wood is like granite counter tops. When everybody wants it, it's not important. As a vegetarian, don't need the cow.

PO;
But the cow needs you! If not for us carni/omnivores and leather users, there'd be few cattle around. Your self-denial is costing a few cows a chance at life!

Well I've rather more options on the same price then less ^^so put everything in, in that starting price please ^^

I'm not against leather in any way, I just want it on my wife and not in my car ;)

I seem to recall in some presentation about pricing, that the Roadster and Model S base price could go up by something like 50% based on options selected. It's part of the profitability/margin stuff. Whether than nickel and dimes you with a thousand options or has just a few big options, I have no idea. My suspicion would be the latter. When you're producing 20,000 cars a year it's likely more feasible to have fewer combinations to deal with than when you produce 200,000 cars.

I hope that the mirrors will fold (automatically when you shut the car down).
Hate the black plastic 'nose'.

Gentleman:
I am going to Annapolis,on Sat.12th,,a Tesla event will be held there,at the Westin Hotel,,,from 10-11,I know not much time..however I hope to get more information on options..lets face it at these prices,,,we all want as much as we can get,for the money,I don't know anyone who doesn't....
Thanks
Vincet D Jovino

just a rumor as of now but I had heard that an option list will be out sooner than we think. they have been paying attention and realized that what options that are going to be available are a key aspect to purchasing a car ... so rumor has it that they will be submitting available options soon this year

I certainly hope that "well equipped" does not mean nickel and dime for features expected as standard in this caliber vehicle.

In these situations, the fact is that you're paying for the technology. There's nothing like it at any price point (except their own Roadster).

I'm not familiar with luxury vehicles, because I'm not willing to spend more than the $30k that I paid for my 2010 Mariner hybrid. As a result, I wouldn't know what people expect to be standard on a $56k+ vehicle.

From my point of view, I would expect responsibility from a green car manufacturer - standard features including cloth or microfiber seats made from recycled materials (like the seats are in my Mariner), no standard wood or leather. However, seeing the clientele they wish to attract and the money that comes with it, I'm sure leather, etc., will be standard.

It would be safe to assume that the glass roof will be an option, as well as the 3rd row child seats.

I have been wondering if those awesome-looking turbine blade rims are standard. They should be, as far as I'm concerned. It's part of the distinct persona of the car. I haven't seen any other designs, nor any hint of another design. The Roadster does have a few rim options, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Model S will, also.

In fact, if you look at the Roadster options, interior and exterior, that's probably a really good indication of what to expect for the Model S.

Tom A....spending 30K or less on a car,there is not a lot of options,spending 60K or more,there are more standard items,than on most cars,that could be called options,,,make it simple...go on line and open any auto site,,,and compare 4 lux.cars,,and you will see the difference,,,,enough said....
Vincent D Jovino

Many of us that want the Model S wants it for the long range and interior space, not for it's "luxury appeal". Thus we don't want or expect "luxury" features being standard. I seriously hope they aren't as there are several of them I positively do NOT want, like leather, electric adjustable seats, massage seats, sunroof, automatic parallell parking, wood interior pieces (or CF), DVD "entertainment" system etc.

All this stuff adds cost, weight and complexity (more stuff to break). I'm pretty sceptic about the automatic opening hatch too...

They should do what VW does, offer a base trim level, medium trim level and high end trim level.

About the only options I'd want are power windows, power locks and alarm.

Power locks and alarm so Saint Louis won't live up to it's reputation too easily.

Windows because it's REALLY hard to reach across to the back rear window and roll it up at 65 miles per hour when a typical mid-west storm blows in out of nowhere in seconds.

I am concerned by the proposed pricing for the upgraded battery packs on the model S. I was expecting around $2000 for each step up in capacity so you can imagine the proposed $10000 for each was quite a shock. Part of the allure of the Tesla is that it is the only pure EV with a range that makes it a practical car to own. The 180 pack is really only good for city use unles DC charging stations become more widely available. I hope that by rollout the price for the upgraded battery packs will have come down.

Jeremy, sorry to hear you were hoping for $2000 for each step up in battery packs. Unfortunately this is ten years or so off. If it were that easy or cheap the majors would not have the volt with less than 40 miles or the leaf with less than 100 miles of range. The 160 mile base pack is still way over the leaf and cold weather tolerant.

$10000 is still much. It means around $400-$500/kWh battery price. I assumed Tesla gets batteries cheaper than that now and a lot cheaper in the future.

Timo, Tesla has not only to use different assembly techniques for different batteries, they HAVE to make a PROFIT. That is what a company does ! If you do not want to see it this way, think this is money that will later allow them to produce cheaper cars, and that sooner than later.

Think Apple, they charge $100 on the iPad for the difference from 16GB to 32GB and the same from 32GB to 64GB, so definitely this is not in direct relation to the cost of materials. It is rather in connection with the appeal for the user of the different value propositions.

$30,000/90 kWh =$333/kWh for new Panasonic batteries.

$40,000/90 kWh =$444/kWh

$20,000/65 kWh =$307/kWh. For old batteries. The bank analyst estimated cost to Tesla of $200/kWh for batteries. This seems reasonable to me. The need to test and pack the batteries still.

@Nicu

$20000 is what you pay extra to get from 160 to 300. My estimation is that 160 is 40-45kWh battery, 90kWh at 300.

So: $20000/45kWh = $444/kWh

That's $5000+ extra / battery capacity increase, if $200/kWh is their real price. 10000 for 300 mile version. Tens of thousands of profit / car. From batteries only they get several million dollar profit from signature series only.

That doesn't sound "profit" to me, that sounds like greed. You probably lose customers with that high price increase. It gets even worse if the battery is actually smaller.

It actually sounds like "lets get early adopters to buy excessive priced 300mile battery pack by delivering them first, then we can drop the price where it should be to get rest of the crowd buy our car too".

I hope that is not the case. Maybe Tesla batteries are not that cheap after all, and they really need to pay $400/kWh for them.

I know I wont be forking down the big bucks for the car but from my vantage point the very biggest option is that you are drving an all electric car {a trailblazer in auto history} with longer range than any electric car in the world. That should be option enough, plus you will probably save a ton of dough if you keep it for the long haul and newer, better batteries are coming down the pike that will probably fit right in your car.I am also very proud this company chose to name their car after a true heroic genius who did not recieve his just due for his contributions to humanity in his lifetime as sadly has been the case too many times in history.

I would just add my very best wishes to you folks buying this car. You are doing something rather heroic to since I am apparently in a heroic vein with these posts. You are putting your money where your mouth is to. Most of you are leaders and you are doing a great job leading ths planet to a better automotive solution. Many thanks to you. You are blessed and I sincerely hope you will continue to be so as the one who blesses has been probably been very wise concerning you.

Timo, what makes you think that's all profit??? There's more to the battery pack than the cells; there's the physical structure, electronics, wiring, cooling, not to mention assembling and testing the entire system. Oh and amortizing the engineering and the factory and equipment, overhead, financing, ...

In the real world, the raw "Bill Of Materials" or BOM cost is only a fraction of the final price of a product. Even when selling direct to the end user (no middle man) a BOM cost of 1/3 the selling price is considered aggressive.

They're not going to get rich on the Signature edition; that will just be a small start on paying down their investment. They're going to have to sell tens of thousands a year to make a profit.

Compared to other battery packs those other things are pretty much same, their material cost is the same and their manufacturing cost is the same. What differs is the cells themselves. So all the difference between what they cost to Tesla and what they cost to person buying the car is a profit.

How can the costs be the same timo? Different batteries, with different size and shapes, with different cooling systems & hookups in the same sized case!

There's a world of difference there timo, and there's still the difference in electronics in the pack to consider. I mean, the sensors that regulate pack temperature, the overcharge protection, and the cutoffs to isolate bad cells; all that has to be different as well, plus theres probably more that we don't know about in there.

Personally, I think Tesla is making very little profit per car on this

Cells are all same size. Amount of them may vary. There is differences how you arrange them, but, besides amount of batteries, material costs are same, arrangement device costs are same etc. It might even be cheaper to produce bigger battery pack than smaller one. There are differences, but they are so small that you can't say which is more costly. It definitely is not direct "add 70miles, get $10000, add another 70miles, get another $10000", unless the price is directly the battery prices.

It gets even weirder for 230-300 mile change, because there the battery chemistry changes, everything else stays the same. same amount of cells, same voltages, same output amps, only Ah changes. I don't think battery price change happens to be exactly $10000 for that.

That $10000 is very artificial number, not dictated by minimum profit. More like "out of the hat" number that most options have. Like different rims and colors or interior materials.


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