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Etiquette at Private Charging Sites

Summary:
If there is a sign at a charging location that says not for public use, please don’t use.

Longer Version:
My company has two chargers installed at my office. They’ve been kind to do this and allow me to charge my car there. This is on private property with signs clearly indicating that the chargers are for company use only.

This morning, I find a brand new P85 in one of the spots. No problem, maybe an emergency charge was needed, maybe they didn’t see the signs, maybe… I leave a nice note on the windshield letting them know this site is only for company use; contact me if you have any questions. The reply I get back about floors me…

“I am entitled to charge here!” is the summary.
“I have been charging here overnight and plan to continue to do so”.
“My car is done charging by 4am so it doesn’t affect the charging of your car”.
“Your site is listed on the web so I can use”. (The site is listed on “recargo” and “plugshare”; some well intended folks noted the location and I clearly updated the description with notes indicating is it NOT for public use).

After another few email exchanges, this person flat tells me “I am going to continue to charge here every night and you can’t stop me”. I leave this conversation to be continued by our building security folks now. Understand that this is private property, we have posted that trespassing is forbidden, cars can be towed, etc. This is getting ugly.

Now, our company president is involved and thinks we shouldn’t install chargers for our company employees.

I am appalled that one of our group has taken this attitude; this makes EV drivers look ridiculous.

PLEASE, respect signage. Do NOT use chargers on private property unless allowed. Please be courteous.

For what it's worth, at Apple we have Chargepoint charges. Chargepoint has a system set up where an account can be "connected" to an organization in such a way that only those "connected" to the organization can use their chargers. The charging is free for employees and no one outside of the company can use them.

The other common (cheaper?) solution is a circuit breaker switch that's only accessible behind locked doors. Leave the circuit off when not in use. When an employee wants to use the charger, flip the circuit on.

That is indeed ridiculous. I can't believe a Tesla owner would behave like that. He clearly has no education. Call him out personally, here and at TMC!! And if he still insists that it is "his right" to charge at your company's station, call the COPS and slap a restraining order on this guy. He might even be commiting a felony, he is definitely commiting a misdemeanor. He is clearly nuts and, like you said, giving EV drivers a bad reputation.

I think you should hire a tow company to put a boot on that guy's car. Or simply call the police. It's trespassing. Of course, the problem with either course of action is you'll have to stay up one night and catch him.

You are a saint.
There giving the benefit of the doubt and there is bending over. This guy is so out of line.
Do not hesitate to tow him.

Sounds like theft. How is it different from siphoning gas from someone else's gas tank overnight?

Are you sure this isn't Elon calling out George B. charging at Space X?

So if I put my home charging station on Recargo and Plug Share, which I have done, this guy can come to the house, get into my garage and plug in every night without my permission? What a tool.

I hate to encourage childish behavior, but I'm pretty good at it. As I've grown older I have fought all efforts to make me a mature man. I'm told I'm winning the fight. Obviously, this is not always good, but here's what I do in a similar situation.

At my office I have three parking spaces for my employees and me. Sometimes, in spite of a sign in front of the parking spot and two security gates, someone gets in and parks in my spot. I get the two people on either side of the car to either back in or head in depending upon side and then park them 2 inches from the offender's door. There is no way for him to get in. I then put a note on his windshield asking him to come to my office.

When he gets there, depending upon his contrition, I either move one of the cars, or tell him that the person who parked there isn't here right now and if he gives me his cellphone number, I'll call him when the person returns.

Now, this might not work on a Model S because he might be able to get in through the hatch, but parking a car right behind him might do the same thing.

If you decide to do this, please take a video to post on YouTube. It would be great to see two older guys get into it. It would renew my faith in human nature. Unfortunately sometimes a jerk responds to nothing but return jerkism.

@homebreww

Just out of curiosity...what city are you in?

its stealing, Would put up an enforceable sign and tow the car next time. its a shame that folks dont respect others property.
Maybe you can put a lockbox on the outlet with a combination that only the employees have... the chargepoint solution above is slick though.
I hope your ower does not punish all by removing the outlet due to this thief.
good luck and would like to hear how this plays out.
thanks

@noel
Enforceable sign exists upon entry to the parking lot. Our security guys tell me we can in fact have him towed.

@info , @cmlaugh
Hilarious!

@jgraessley
Short term solution to the problem is to turn off the breaker every evening. This means when I get to work, I need to go inside and turn on the breakers; pain in the a$$, but can't complain too much for juice at work.

Longer term solution is to install key enabled chargers; the cost for that will come out of the budget for additional chargers. I would have preferred to keep the chargers "open" and even had preliminary buy-in from management for others to use for an emergency charge; that option is now off the table.

Our building has security cameras so we can monitor situation. I understand we already have video of the driver parking there previous evenings.

Lots of legal things can be done and it is fun to imagine doing them, but I'm just hoping things cool off.

Thanks for allowing me to vent!

Props to you @Homebreww for being as patient as you have been. Stay cool and if the loser won't back off, know that you are in the right to smack his @ss into next week legally and morally. Heck, I would have towed his car the first day so you are already way more tolerant than I am :)

You should have to pay to "fix" something because of this jerk. I wanna see him get towed!

Just wire it up so it delivers 480V instead :)

Just amazing - can't believe this guy. Four flat tires would suck in the morning when he is late for work!!

Well, proof positive that some jerks can afford the MS! Sad but true.

Brian - parents paid for it. That is the only explanation.

Homebreww - I admire your patience.

@Brian H
Your logic dictate that most jerks are poor - what a stupid thing to say.

More the reverse, that buying an MS does not prove you are not a jerk.

So this car was in one of two spots?
You are an employee, not an owner?
You could still charge your car?
You complained and now they might get rid of the chargers?

Nobody is entitled to free electric, work or not.
It should be metered, controlled access, payed access.
Your company was shortsighted.

And as to the signage being obeyed, do you drive the speed limit?

Homebreww. Another possible solution, request your boss consider having the charging stations but on a timer and not being able to charge overnight- only during working hours.

In my youth, when faced with an inconsiderate parker, I would let the air out of a tire or four. Eventually, they get the message.

Assuming you have the proper signage "Private Parking, Employees Only - Towing Enforced, etc." Then go ahead and tow.

Unfortunately, not all Model S owners are law abiding (apparently). In my experience, there are far more owners of gas powered cars who break the law by parking in spaces designated "EV Charging only". Maybe they don't think it's a law (like handicapped parking).

I'm not sure that gas powered car owners would like it very much if a caravan of EV drivers arrived at a 7-Eleven gas station and parked next to all of the pumps (blocking their use), while the drivers go inside to purchase Slurpees and lottery tickets.

I'm confused. These charging sites are in a company parking lot, on corporate property? So the owner of the offending MS drives his car, presumably some distance from his home, parks it at night in the spot, walks home, then comes back the next morning, either by foot or by carpool, to pick the car back up?

@RNB You might be going a bit far. If homeb.'s company chooses to provide free charging as a perk for employees, of course he/she is entitled to use it.

And far from being shortsighted, a company which provides that perk creates some powerful employee loyalty.

Before my Model S arrived I reviewed all the chargers in St. Louis and posted updates on Recargo's app. There are several chargers at Ameren's downtown office that are never used. The APP said they were public and they were in the visitors parking. While I was there looking at the chargers to figure out the amperage 3 security vehicles pulled up and threaten to arrest me for being on private property. They made it very clear the chargers were private. I left a note on the Recargo APP and they changed the listing for the chargers to private.

While this guy sounds like a complete A-hole, I can understand his confusion if the locations were originally listed as public however his responses to you are completely off the wall.

@Homebreww, once upon a time, you could scare the bajivies outa someone by telling them, 60 Minutes' Mike Wallace is out front and wants to talk to you. RIP - Mike

Instead these days, call a local TV station and tell them you have an interesting story for them. Give them footage from your security cam.

This is really interesting, please keep us informed.

@Sudre: I thought I was being somewhat obsessive by my preparations before the red ride arrives, but, your pre-delivery efforts make me sound like a couch potato.

@homebreww, this is completely wrong. That guy has no whatsoever right to park, let alone charge, in this parking spot. As others have mentioned, you have every right to tow the car.

By the way, do the cars that are parked in the area have a parking sticker indicating that they are allowed to park here? If so, then it is easy for the towing company to tow it. Else, it might be difficult. Are you sure this guy is not entitled to park and charge there?

The other option is to call Chargepoint and tell them that is a private and NOT a public charger.

Finally, you should out this guy.

Keep us updated.

~ Prash.

lol yeah, what's his VIN?

OH! MY! yes. post the VIN!

@Ohms.Law - I was going nuts. I even drove to Chicago and stopped by all the chargers on the way their too!


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