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Stringing us along?

I have to say, now that we're seeing the final interior and the near-production betas, that I'm more than a little annoyed.

Lame cup-holders.
No door pockets.
No storage outside the glove box whatsoever?

Over and over, since the betas were displayed, we've been assured that this was merely preliminary and that the interior would be much better and more fully featured in the final model. They kept saying 90% complete.

If they knew that nothing other than the roof screen was going to change, they should have said so. All they had to say was that the interior was finished except for better fit & finish. It would have saved endless speculation and disappointment.

Where do we keep sunglasses handy? Where does the hand lotion, tissues, litter bag, hair brush, etc. etc. go? We have to park and dig into the cavernous glove box???

Tesla is either mute or the reps repeat the refrain, "well, the interior isn't completed yet, there may still be changes coming". BULLSHIT!

I'm still buying the car. I'll install a lined basket of some kind in the console area like I had to do in my el-cheapo Ford Escort. But I'm not thrilled about having to do this in a $110,000 car, I'll tell you.

Perhaps some others have had the experience of designing and building a house from scratch. When my wife and I retired, we already had bought a lot and worked with an architect to design the "perfect" retirement home for us. We incorporated all the lessons we had learned from updating several houses ourselves. The new house is wonderful, but it is not the perfection we envisioned in our minds. Before execution the design is an almost Platonic ideal. Real life never rises to that level. To use a different analogy, when you open the box and find Schrödinger's cat either alive or dead, some of the observers will be disappointed.
I am sure I will like not being as boxed into a tiny footwell as some cars with massive consoles. The general open feel is good. I will try to keep an open mind on everything until I live with it for a while.

Mycroft

I could not agree with you more. I recall the day I went to see the Alpha and immediately made my reservation. I thought the exterior was beautifus and the interior from what I could see was outstanding. When I attended the Beta event I thought the interior looked like my fathers Lincoln Town Car. It looks unfinished. I too called and voiced my negative feeling about the interior and was told it was not quite done and changes were still possible. I am so disappointed in the interior that I am beside myself. How could a company like this design a car this beautiful on the outside and give no consideration on how awful the interior looks. Why would you have a tiny center armrest with usless cupholders. This interior design screems WHAT WERE YOU THINKING I agree with you BULLSHIT 100% What a letdown!!!!!!!! If it costs more for the center console then for God sake charge for it. We are going to pay enough for the car and I would pay extra for it.
I am sure there are people who think the interior is OK but I am NOT one of them. Just my 2 cents.

I am buying the car like Mycoft but am also disappointed that there aren't additional storage space in the car. It's my functional, daily driver and not having a place to store the slew of items I need to make the car mine is a disappointment. Glove-box will already be occupied by license, registration and various manuals.

Me too, I will just buy a purse for my 'junk.' I know just the spot to keep it in.

I suspect that I am in the minority, but I am seriously considering cancelling my order (P4173). I was already disappointed with the timing of the announced limitations on the 40kw battery. I was thinking I would grudgingly bump myself to the 60kw battery but the interior in this car strikes me as amateurish, and I am not sure I can live with it.

We tend to buy mid-level luxury vehicles. Currently we have a Porsche Cayenne S and a Mercedes SL500. The attention to detail in these interiors is striking. I certainly do not get that feeling with the Model S.

I think that the reason most of us can reconcile the lack of practical touches in the Model S is because we are enthusiasts and are willing to make compromises based on that fact. At the price range we are paying, I am used to having an experience of not compromising at all. I don't know how common that opinion is.

One of the big plus for me keeping the reservation is the sales tax deduction in Washington State.

I have no idea what I am going to do yet. Apologies for the long rant.

Meant to say sales tax exemption.

I also have a correction, "also disappointed that there isn't additional storage space in the car"

Also disappointed in the lack of editing capability on the forum and my horrendous grammar... :)

I've been trying to get used to the idea of no center console and it'll kinda suck.

In my glasses holder: no glasses, however my wife has sunglasses in hers so I kinda expect that. In my center console: space for my iPhone to sit while connected to the car (I have the integration accessory), change purse (replaces the ashtray full of change), and a cordless shaver (incredibly convenient imho). In the door pockets: CD cases (won't need for Telsa), maps, and for some reason I put the tire pressure gauge there.

So there is a lot of extra crud I carry around already in those spaces Telsa has filled with... nothing. Glovebox and armrest will be used and may even use the cupholders on longer trips.

I see from https://plus.google.com/photos/117433471618932049710/albums/572080445134... (Russ Engle's google+ photos at the event) that under the carpet in the center is an interesting docking section. Like it is meant for assembly but there is nothing there. I can imagine velcroing something into that spot but would much rather have something well designed from Tesla there.

P1690 here. This whole storage and center console issue is very upsetting to me. It seems such a minor issue in the grand scheme of things but I am finding this increasingly hard to accept. As a Tesla enthusiast and early adopter I know there may be issues in the beginning. But in my close to 100K performance edition I do expect usable storage areas.

I am planning on replacing my current commuter car so usability is a huge factor in this. When Elon Musk says this is not only going to be the best EV but the best car overall Tesla needs to pay attention to detail. Blankenberg saying there will be a console option in the future (for extra $$$?) is just not acceptable. And don't get me started on the useless cup holders (I sat in the DC beta).

If Tesla has not found an acceptable storage and interior design by the time of my Tesla call I am considering delaying my order.

Wow!

I was expecting an open space for the base priced model but I really thought they would have an optional counsel after all the postings on the forum. I really thought after all the promises that the SIGs would have something for to show for the interior. I feel sorry for those paying that premium.

I'm guessing we are at the final product. They would have to re-crash test, I believe, if they added a center counsel. Time to start shopping for storage compartments :-)

I couldn't agree more with the above. I don't believe I can pull the trigger on a 90K vehicle with this type of amateur interior. I'm a bit surprised folks on here are rationalizing how they will adapt to what is clearly a huge miss by Tesla.

The "IPad ducktaped to the dash" look is worthy of ridicule, not pride.

Perhaps the nextgen S will get it right.

I have to disagree with you guys on this one. I'm a guy too but I hate getting into someone else's car that is full of crap. What is it with us Americans. Myself excluded, we are the worst pack rats ! Every time I drive by someone's house with an open garage full of so much crap that they can't get their car in it I cringe. I don't mean to be offensive, to each his own but in my mind it's stupid to have a garage and not park your car in it.

Door pockets, center consoles, under the seats, glove compartment, trunk and soon to be frunk full of crap. How often do you use the things you have stored in those places. They are like time capsules. I dare you to empty yours out, you will find items from at least as far back as when you owned the car if not further, because you simply transferred stuff from the old one to the new one.

And every once of weight decreases efficiency.

IMO ! ! !

p2576

I use hand lotion, mileage log, tissues nearly every day. Having to reach over and dig into the glove box every time would be ridiculous.

It dawned on me, Elon Musk has a grand plan. Not only will he change outer space, solar energy, automobile manufacturing… he is going to change us.

Really, how much crap that we put in the glove compartment, center console , door pockets do you need? I sat in my car and inspected the treasures I have stored for safe keeping. I was shocked how much ‘stuff’ I had - that I didn’t need.

Maybe Elon is right, less is more.

I thought the interior was quite nice. The screen looks much better integrated in person than in pictures. It didn't stand out to me at all, once you get over the sheer size of the screen itself.

I don't keep much in my current car. One door pocket holds an ice scraper in winter, the tissue box is on the floor behind the passenger seat, and the center console holds my Garmin GPS unit and iPod. With the Tesla, I would download the music to the car from the iPod, and with the standard maps feature, I wouldn't need the GPS unit. The ice scraper can reside under the seat or in the rear footwell or in the compartment under the hatch area or in the frunk.

I agree that the cupholders are in a stupid place. From time to time, I do use a cup holder. That space is either armrest or cupholder, not both at the same time. That is a silly mistake.

But, it doesn't really matter what I think at the moment, since I can't afford it. I still wanted to chime in so that the GenIII models may benefit from as much input as possible.

I've voiced my concerns about the lack of a center console (CC) ever since the beta reveal in October. I know I'm not alone.

It seems that TM has decided that making a statement about EVs and their flat floors is more important than providing necessary interior storage and improving interior aesthetics and flow. So be it. After all, Tesla puts its name on the car and has a right to make the design decisions it wants.

Now, a video by a visitor to Santana Row has George Blankenship saying, "... we listened, and are definitely going to offer a console as a Tesla accessory down the road." So, it appears that TM recognizes that concern about the lack of a CC is legitimate.

Buy really, "down the road?" The road should start when the first Model S is delivered. I'm not an automotive designer, so maybe I'm missing why creating a viable CC accessory design isn't possible now. Hell, it took me a few minutes to gen up a rudimentary CC design (posted on this forum). A pro should be able to develop appropriate automotive grade design drawings in a few days or a week, max.

If TM is (understandably) too busy to fabricate the CC design in house right now, I have to believe it could subcontract fabrication to a small vendor, who given the economy, would be only too happy to do the work and get the income. Charge, say, $500 to $1000 for the add-on (maybe give it to sig holders free, if they want it) and everyone is happy.

Failing all of that, at the very least, "down the road" should be defined by a hard date. Will it be three months or two years until a console accessory is offered?

Very disappointing. I'd be willing to bet that sales will be lost "down the road" because the Model S interior simply is not competitive with other vehicles at its price point. I'd also be willing to bet that comments on the interior layout in the automotive press will be more negative than positive. As a stockholder, I find that disturbing.

I am more in line with My5bAby. From the pictures I saw recently on another thread there is actually a recessed space on the floor with sidewalls, which eliminates my biggest concern (stuff sliding from passenger side to pedals). I need a place to store my badge for getting in my building at work, and a place to put my sunglasses (I do like the setup integrated in the headliner of my wife's Acura. That is all. I can put a pen and slim pack of tissues in the glove box and that would have everything I need from my current car. In the Frunk or Trunk I will have a snowbrush, a first aid kit (if one isn't already integrated), and a basic tool kit (if it isn't integrated).

I do notice that there isn't any space in my current car (Audi TT) for my phone, so hopefully this will be resolved by that space pictured in the other thread.

The only disappointment is the cupholders, but they are as good or better than the ones in my current $40k car. We'll see after driving it for a month or so, but I am guessing it won't impact me at all.

Well, I'm heading to Santa Row now and this question will be posed to hear what they say. I can tell you that there are things I "MUST" have in my car and one of which is a couple large bottles of water for my medical condition (I get dehydrated quickly so this is a must for me). Other things like storing cell phones, chargers, breath mints, cologne, gym gloves for weight training, headphones are all musts and things I keep stored in my car at all times and accessed 5 times a week or more. You will never find a McDonald's bag or random wrapper in my car, I don't allow that (my kids know not to leave that stuff in there either). Anyway, I'll share what I find out and let them (TM reps) know it's a hot topic on the forums if they don't already know.

@Mycroft - This reminds me of the UI on the Fisker, as per the owner review video. A mistake that sours even the most ardent supporter.

Someone mentioned filling the glove box up with manuals. Paper manuals is seriously old tech. With that big 17" screen I'd expect all manuals to be accessible and searchable in a digital format. I do not read the papers or books on paper anymore and I definately do not want any paper manuals.

Ice scrapers should also not be neccessary, the heater should be powerful enough to clear the windshield of ice in 2-3 minutes even in 0 F temperatures. A heated windshield would be even nicer, I'd pay extra for that.

A mini fridge in the open space would be very useful though. I'd pay extra for that too. The water bottles would then be cold :)

I do not keep years of junk in my car.. My current vehicle has a functional center console where I keep a few needed items as well as my ipod and guess what, I can rest my arm and put my coffee in the holder at the same time what a concept in design functionality. Now as far as looks go I took pictures of the alpha interior and that was one hot looking cockpit. I still think the S is a great looking car on the outside and the technology is fantastic however the interior deign team should be SHOT...What a shame!

I don't agree about the center console (read my post on the TMC thread) but do agree on the interior. There should be no question about the quality of the interior. It should be same/better quality than BMW, Audi, Lexus and Merc. I have full confidence in TM to deliver to these expectations.

@jkirkebo - If there is an issue with the 17" screen, how do you read the manual to fix it?

I think we should still wait. I don't think they're "stringing us along."

We haven't seen the final interior yet, and when they say it's 90% done or 99%, I don't think the store rep is giving you a literal calculation for you to bank on.

This kind of repeated early showing, allowing the public to have rides, sit in the car, touch it, etc, is not normally done in the car industry. Add to that the fact that we here are following the car very closely, and I think you'll find that our scrutiny is going a little overboard.

Truth is that they haven't definitively told us all about the interior spaces, so we can't make any judgements until they do. This is part of what we signed up for by reserving a car before it has been produced.

@olanmills: good point and I hope you are right as I find the lack of storage and finesse in the betas to be below par for $40k cars. As my first $100k car the beta interior so far is a shocking disapointment. Let's hope that you are right as we early adopters may overlook the interior but the general public certainly will not.

@brianman: I'd expect the manuals to be downloadable too, so I'd just look it up on my iPad. Or call Tesla customer support.

Let me try to channel a future reviewer of the Model S. The reviewer loves the car overall. After raving about the technology, the overall driving performance, and exterior design, he/she writes:

" ... The Model S interior is its only weak point. The designers have opted not to include a center console in an effort to emphasize the EV's flat floor—there's no reason to hide a center transmission tunnel. But in doing so, they've created an interior that is just slightly off.

"The enormous center display is a tech marvel, allowing the driver to control virtually every function via a touch screen. It is unique in the automotive industry and will be the envy of every tech-savvy driver. But because there is no center console, the screen seems to float in space, without the visual anchoring that is required to integrate it into the central flow of the interior.

"In addition, I noticed that there are very few places to store small items. I put my iPad and mobile phone into a small tray that lies on the floor, where they slid around as I drove. The recessed area on the floor is reminiscent of a few trucks and sub $25K cars I've seen recently—certainly not the kind of thing I would expect in a premium sedan.

"Finally, the choice of interior accents is limited. That's understandable, given Tesla's need to bring the car to market on schedule—an amazing achievement, no doubt. But the choice of accents is ... well ... weak. For example, the banana leaf accent in the car I drove has vertical grain. The problem is that interior dashboard flow is always horizontal. Most premium brands use a burled wood look or a subtle horizontal grain so that the accent doesn't conflict with the horizontal flow of the dash. Tesla has chosen to go in another direction, at least with the banana leaf. Why?

"Overall, is the interior acceptable? Probably. But is it something that will wow potential buyers? With the exception of the tablet-like display, I would have to say 'no.'

"I've reviewed many other cars in the Model S price range ($65 to $100K). I may not have liked every interior touch, but it was always obvious that I was sitting in a car in the luxury price range. That's not necessarily the case for the Model S.

"That's a shame, because the interior is the only blemish on an otherwise spectacular car."

The above "review" is fictional, but I'll bet we read stuff just like it beginning in August.

I do not keep years of junk in my car.. My current vehicle has a functional center console where I keep a few needed items as well as my ipod and guess what, I can rest my arm and put my coffee in the holder at the same time what a concept in design functionality. Now as far as looks go I took pictures of the alpha interior and that was one hot looking cockpit. I still think the S is a great looking car on the outside and the technology is fantastic however the interior deign team should be SHOT...What a shame!

Softauthor, you distill well how many of us feel about the interior, and what we expressed after the October beta.

For those who project onto this car our highest expectations of the ideal experience, it's not the home run it could be. To blemish this otherwise amazing picture with a non-stellar interior ... which should have been the easy part ... that's a needless dimming of potential.

But now it's March, and it's clear that the interior isn't changing.

At this point, there are bigger fish to fry. Production is nontrivial. See "The Big Picture" thread.

It might be interesting to mail my CA asking...

"If I defer my Signature, will you have the interior addressed projectile problem addressed by the time I order? If so, will I have information at the time of that deferral decision about what's coming so that I can evaluate whether the proposed solution is acceptable?"


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