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Where would you like to see Tesla set up Super Chargers?

I have a couple long drives I undertake and came up with a list that would be convenient for me. Somehow I think Tesla will take a wider array of people into account :)

Here is where I would like to see them (for my personal convenience of course :) )
North Bay, ON
Barrie, ON
Stratford, ON
Niagara, Falls, ON
Erie, PA
Morgantown, WV
Beckley, WV
Charlotte or Statesville, NC

I actually anticipate Tesla will concentrate their super chargers in/near their hottest U.S. markets (at least initially), but I can dream about them being in more out of the way places.

Where would they suit you best?

Yes, guy in the parking lot asks me about the Roadster. Very cool fast, etc. "But how do you get to Florida?" My favorite quote.

Everywhere, yes of course. But it takes time and money. Where is the best ROI for these first few years before we can cover the whole planet?

So personnaly, I'm in the Washington DC metro area. I need a spot between here and the Outer Banks. Lots of Nags Head travelers, right? A great place would be Fredericksburg I-95. And also Richmond. But the Outer Banks needs a branch East so need something In Norfolk, Chesapeake to feed down that way.

Of course let's pepper I-95 all the way up and down. So who's got the whole I-95 map of roughly 200 mile legs with stations at nice restaurants and hotels? It will be a valuable collectors items in ten years, like the old maps of the new world. I want one.

I think Tesla would have to install a supercharger every 150 miles to be able to service the cars with 230 mile batteries, taking a 25% fuel economy penalty for driving 65mph with the AC on, and having a safety margin.

Utica, NY along the thruway, Lee MA rest area on the turnpike, and 90/495 interchange along the turnpike (Westborough), and I would also request pinball machines in these locations. Don't need superchargers since my 40kWh battery won't be allowed anyway. I don't anticipate doing this drive with my S though. They'll make a killing off the pinball machine though.

I would also request pinball machines in these locations.
Brilliant. Simply brilliant. Pinball and latte.

I think we have agreed that every 150 on every interstate highway is the right option. ;-)

I-80, I-90, I-70 would be my priorities, in that order, but then I never go to the south :-)

The East Coast, Washington to Boston, is not a priority -- a waste of time, honestly -- there are plenty of slower chargers available there, and it's a deeply unpleasant drive with lots of alternatives to driving. But Tesla appears committed to wasting our time by putting Superchargers there early, so whatever.

After reviewing charging availability, I'd actually start with the areas where 240 volt charging is practically nonexistent. This means the northern regions where campgrounds close in the winter; and the giant desert gaps east of California.

Start by making trips *possible*, and worry about making them easy later.

150 miles works, but 100-120 would be better. Reduces "bunching" at the stations, and permits full highway speeds rather than hypermiling.

@ncn: to some extent, I agree with you. I've driven the Northeast Corridor, I've ridden Amtrak along the Corridor, and I've flown. Driving by far is the worst. People are increasingly insane behind the wheel. Crippling traffic volumes and construction zones are inevitable. From the DC metro area to points north, I will only ever take the train or fly.

Now, there are major north-south routes inland, such as I-270, I-81, I-83, US 15, where there are no direct passenger train routes, and flying is either overkill or prohibitively expensive. You really don't have a reasonable option except to fly.

A supercharging station in Frederick, MD would be a good node, I think. US 40 and US 15 go through there. I-70 intersects with the northern end of I-270 there, and ridiculous amounts of traffic to Baltimore, DC, Harrisburg, and westbound I-70 to I-81, etc., travel through there every single day.

I would suggest a few spots along the Pennsylvania Turnpike, such as Bedford (touristy) or the Midway rest stop. At 65 mph and no problems, it's about 7 hours' drive between Pittsburgh and Philly. Three supercharging stations should cover the turnpike.

Another possibility is Harrisburg, PA. It's a huge, natural hub. It's 2 hours from DC, Baltimore and Philly, and about 4 hours from NYC and Pittsburgh. It's clearly strategic at least from the fact that there are square miles of trucking terminals around Harrisburg. I-81, I-83, PA Turnpike (I-76), US 22 and US 322 all pass through/around the city. It's also near a popular destination, Hershey, the home of Hershey's chocolate and a large amusement park.

I'm not sure if ncn has tongue firmly planted in cheek regarding ignoring the NE corridor but I suspect not. Tesla's strategy of focusing on the most populous, heavily traveled long distance corridors makes sense from a business and sales perspective. Having level 2 chargers about simply does not solve the problem of long distance travel unless you feel like stopping for a few hours for a recharge. Regarding Amtrak v driving, put 4 people in the car and it is significantly cheaper to drive from NY to DC than it is to take the train, especially if you need a vehicle at the other end.

Tom A's strategy makes the most sense. Key, major interchanges get superchargers then fill in the gaps to make travel between them possible.

The "Model S buyer's map" shows loads of presales in SoCal, but just me by my lonesome in Las Vegas. Also, Los Angelinos are famous, perhaps even "notorious," for doing Sin City weekends.

Besides, I'll probably need to get my Model S to Los Angeles for its scheduled maintenance plus any other service, for a couple years or so, assuming all goes well and Tesla becomes a long-lived hit. If I had to actually take my Model S delivery in SoCal right now... uh... well, I'd be in a bind.

The obvious recharge points on I-15 are:

  • Barstow CA
  • Baker CA
  • Primm NV.

Otherwise, there's really very little civilization and a whole lot of desert on that route. Anyone who's seen Baker CA knows what I mean.

I might one day want to take my Model S to the Grand Canyon or Phoenix, but the Siren Call of Disneyland and a place to get Tesla service makes me put the route to LA at the top of my wish list.

Dave, I believe there is a Tesla charger installed at the McDonalds in Barstow, though its not a super charger...

The next to last north bound rest stop on the New Jersey turnpike and the midway rest sto on the Pennsylvania turn pike

Making it easy for buyers to get to service locations (and/or drive home from the store) makes sense initially. Every 100-120 miles along interstate highways sounds good, as that could work regardless of battery size if a 240V charger is also available at the site. Start from the stores, and work out along interstates in all directions.

Being in central Iowa, roughly 350 miles from the nearest service & store locations in Chicago at present time, I'd very much like to see chargers announced along I80 and I88 at Des Moines IA, Coralville IA, Sterling IL and at the Chicago service location (~115 miles apart).

Alternatively, it may work to have just 1 high speed charger at Davenport in between Des Moines & Chicago, although that would be pushing it for the 230 mile battery (~175 miles apart) and definitely wouldn't work for the 160 mile--might also need 240V chargers at both Coralville and Sterling to help those with smaller batteries bridge the gap.

I80 goes from NY to the SF area, so should be a high priority to allow for cross-contentinental travel eventually. I35 between Minneapolis and San Antonio also seems important, both to me and for being a key route for cross-continental travel.

At present time,

Tom;
"Now, there are major north-south routes inland, such as I-270, I-81, I-83, US 15, where there are no direct passenger train routes, and flying is either overkill or prohibitively expensive. You really don't have a reasonable option except to fly."

I think you meant "except to drive"??

The I95 corridor from Miami to Boston. Let's get the east coast covered. High visibility, and high impact with Boston, NY, Atlantic City, Philly, Baltimore, DC, Miami, Orlando, Atlanta, Richmond, Charlotte and the beaches (Virginia Beach, The Outer Banks, Myrtle Beach, Daytona Beach, Miami Beach, etc.) all within distance.

I have four destinations that I usually drive to that would be nice to have supercharger support. Mt Tremblant, Ottawa, Toronto and Boston. The first two of which would be drive-able without but would be nicer to have charging support at the destinations but the last two would almost require Supercharger support. There have been rumors that the Toronto route along the 401 will get some EV charging stations but whether or not they will get the Tesla superchargers is still not confirmed. The only one I am concerned about is the trip to Boston and to go there I usually take the I91 to the I93 down but the I89 route would be acceptable as well. If they add that and add support for the I95 down to Florida I easily be persuaded to take a road trip down for my winter golf fix instead of flying.

I live near Salt Lake City, the "difficult" part of the country for EV adoption. With the 300 mile battery pack, I can cover ALL of my daily / weekly commuting and driving. I can get all around the northern half of Utah without problems and don't see a need for a charger anywhere other than home.

The challenge is that 3-4 times a year we take trips of greater distance to places like Moab (230 miles), Cedar City (250 miles), St. George (300 miles), Denver (530 miles), Las Vegas (425 miles), Yellowstone (300 miles). These trips will all require some way to charge en route, and no one ever goes 55 mph on these roads.

I would love to see Superchargers along I-15 from Salt Lake to LA, and I-70 from I-15 to Denver. However, these routes go through some very long stretches of remote area... So, while I would love to see Supercharges along these routes, I'm not holding my breath because I think the routes listed above will serve many more people / EV enthusiasts.

If Tesla did provide Supercharging along these routes, I think both the Model S and Model X would be very popular here in Utah.

A Supercharger near Elko NV on I-80. That's a long, lonely stretch of road between Reno and Salt Lake City! There's a few campgrounds on US-50, which parallels I-80, but they're poor substitutes for a Supercharger.

@Brian H, 2/20: Yes. "drive". oops.

@Derril, 2/20: +100

The East Coast, the entire coast (Bar Harbor to Miami), would be beneficial for exactly those reasons - high population density and high concentrations of desirable tourist and vacation destinations.

As I understand it, TM will be emphasizing the two coasts, then start working inland from both ends. I look forward to detailed announcements.

Actually, I would expect that the primary routes under consideration would overlap significantly with the various proposed high-speed rail systems, for the same reasons (targeting high-volume driving routes that connect popular destinations).

+1 Tom A: the northernmost reaches of the world is not at Boston. To the contrary, Boston is the hub of the world. :-) Extending the charging network northward from Boston to Bar Harbor is a good call; a great tourist destination with sparse charging infrastructure.

Maybe follow the airport distribution method? Especially if S appeals to rental agencies......

RB;
Ah, yaass, Bahstan;
"I dwell 'neath the shades of Harvard
In the State of the Sacred Cod,
Where the Lowells speak only to Cabots
And the Cabots speak only to God."

But I hear excessive inbreeding has pretty much put paid to all that ...

;p

The Cabots all moved up to Vinalhaven and Bar Harbor, which is why we need Superchargers out there. :-)

Triangulate

Dallas

I35 Station I45 Station

San Antonio I10 Station Houston

Definitiely not to scale or direction, but these are three of this countries great cities, and we Texans move between them.

I was thinking more like placing one charger 150 to 200 miles outside every big city on major interstate highways, kind of along the same lines as David posted above. Looking at a map that should cover all major travel destinations with a few exceptions.
It would give plenty of coverage in case of bad weather with a 300 mile battery. In good weather a 240 mile battery would do just fine. I think most of us agree that the 160 miles battery is more of an around town car.

I think the cities themselves will end up with chargers on their own.

SO for example that would be one charge between (using my neck of the woods):

St. Louis and Kansas City
St. Louis and Chicago
St. Louis and Memphis
St. Louis and Indianapolis
St. Louis and Tulsa

Kansas City and Tulsa
Kansas City and Denver
Kansas City and Sioux Falls

Chicago and Minneapolis
Chicago and Indianapolis
Chicago and Cleveland

Memphis and New Orleans
Memphis and Dallas (might need two)
Memphis and Atlanta
Memphis and Knoxville
Memphis and Oklahoma City

Indianapolis and Cleveland
Indianapolis and Nashville
Indianapolis and Pittsburgh
Indianapolis and Knoxville
Indianapolis and Charleston

Just keep on extrapolating from there. Those 22 chargers cover a huge amount of travel.

Salida, CO

Its a good place to spend an hour or more, and a great half way point between Denver and Southwest Colorado.

RB: Yes, and there's great shopping and food in Kittery, Freeport (home of L.L.Bean) and Portland. After that, Camden is nice - they have a great overlook at the park on Mt. Battey (sp?) that overlooks beautiful Camden Harbor.

It's not as high volume as other stretches of I-95, but I think they would get good use, at least from June to October.

+1 andystj

Something between Dallas and Houston preferably where there is some good BBQ. :-)

I am going to just quote Robert Boston's suggestions for new england on a previous 100+ post thread on exactly the same topic:

@ncn: Agreed! An east-coast charging network would be easy and helpful. The I-95 corridor is the primary backbone. Working from the north, charging stations in New England should be set:

1. Augusta, ME: University of Maine at Augusta campus, I-95 exit 112. Between the state and university, this should be easy. From here, all of the tourist areas is reasonable (118 miles to Bar Harbor, 142 miles to Baxter State Park, even 240 miles to St. John, NB)

2. Kennebunk rest area (north- and south-bound). This is 25 miles into Maine, and gets you to all the south and mid-coast of Maine (105 miles to Camden ME).

3. (north-bound) NH welcome center, NH-MA state line; (south-bound) MW welcome center, MA-NH state line. This point is just north of the I-95 / I-495 split.

4. I-90 (Mass Pike) Charlton rest area: just east of the I-84 / I-90 split.

5. I-95, MA Exit 7. Not much here, but this is strategically located at the intersection of I-95 and I-495. Charge here and Cape Cod is entirely in range (117 miles to Provincetown). Also, hits just north of the I-95 / I-295 split around Providence RI.

6. New Haven. I-91 joins I-90 here, connecting easily to charging stations #4 and #5 above.

7. Greenfield, MA. About 100 miles north of #6, 125 miles west of #3, and along the important Rte 2 east-west route. Also a hotbed of sustainable farming.

8. Danbury, CT. About 110 miles west of #4, and just east of the I-84 / I-684 split.

9. White River Jct, VT. 84 miles north of #7, at the cross-roads of I-91 and I-89. 185 miles to Montreal.

10. Concord, NH. At the cross-roads of I-91 and I-93. Puts all of NH in play, including the White Mtn resorts.

I think that pretty well covers it -- 10 stations to serve 14.5 million people. Not a bad ratio.

Thanks Robert for the well thought out network. Just the idea of it puts a grin on my face.

Something to keep in mind for placing these stations: expanding battery range.
You don't want to place these chargers too close or when the 400 mile, 500 mile, etc battery come along those chargers will see a LOT less use.


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