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Minimizing rearview mirrors

Dear Tesla Team,

I am really really impressed about your products! Just buy watching all the nice features I found one thing I think is important to offer as another feature in the "tech package":

Please include an option for minimizing the outer rearview mirrors for the S and the X products.
For the Model S it sometimes is important to reduce the big mirrors because of packed streets or narrow parking/driving-by space. Here in Europe it happens often that a any other car/truck/bicycle might break them of while passing by. A solution for this might be automatic or manuel folding towards the door or a bit up.
For the Model X, since there are no rearview mirrors the tiny cams might be a nice toy for vandals to kick them, just because they look breakable. So maybe these ones could also go into the car like the door openers. While approaching the car these cams and the openers could get out and no harm could be done at all.

Keep on doing this great product developement!!! As soon as I have the money I will get this car. I "had" some cars but this one will definitely be my first one paid just by myself!!!
NO ALTERNATIVE FOR THE ONLY ALTERNATVE!!! :-)

Cheers
Jan

The Model S already has manual folding mirrors. It's highly likely the X will get them too. There won't be auto folding mirrors though because they have made the mirrors as small as possible to reduce the aerodynamic drag and thus there is not enough room for the electric motors in the arms.

Unfortunately, I don't think the rear view camera's will make it to production as there are laws that need to be changed first to allow them.

Cheers!

ok, thanks. I was also wondering if there is any traffic law about such thing.
Nice that they fild and thanks for the fast reply.

Cheers

Ich glaube, etwas ist schief gegangen :( ! Ich werde meine Fragen spaeter nochmals senden!

When I clicked on this thread I thought the subject would be a bit different...

Yes the Model X's sideview cameras won't make it to production just yet. It doesn't matter that a camera system can be SUPERIOR to mirrors; there are current regulations in various places requiring at least one external mirror on the driver's side.

I would like to suggest making the mirrors as small as those regulations allow, and AUGMENTING them with cameras. They don't even have to be in the same location, nor do they have to be external...

Once we have fully autonomous vehicles out there, no one will expect them to be fitted with mirrors, so at some point we can expect these regulations to be shelved. Meanwhile someone should be working with camera systems to show how they will make mirrors obsolete.

@ filsmyth | August 5, 2013

<< I would like to suggest making the mirrors as small as those regulations allow, and AUGMENTING them with cameras. They don't even have to be in the same location, nor do they have to be external... >>

Great idea. I would even make the mirrors detachable and place rearview microcameras under the side logo insets.

However, NHTSA has just made rear visibility cameras mandatory by May 2018. Doesn't that make mirrors superfluous in every case a camera system can provide complete (say 150 degrees or so) rear visibility?

I would couple that with a panoramic, eye-up, floating, rearview projection display and dispense with the inside rearview mirror as well.

It is quite possible to have an aerodynamic side-view camera and still abide by the current law. The mirror laws I have read (no, I haven't studied every state's law) do not specify the size of the mirror, only that the driver be able to see 200 feet to the rear in the mirror.

Having a tiny mirror on the side stalk that holds the camera should not add much drag at all, and it would be a good idea to have a redundant system anyway.


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