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Roof Rack System possible?

Would Falcon Wings work with a Roof Rack System?

(It's $519.00 for Model S):

If a roof rack can be installed on the Model X, I hope there's a sensor system that disable the Falcon Wings when there's a luggage on the roof.

On the other hand, by looking at the Falcon Wings design, probably, Model X is not designed for Roof Rack System.

In that case, Model S is more of a work horse as it can carry mattresses and luggage on its Roof Rack System.

Can any one speculate on Model X Roof Rack capability please?

Highly doubtful with those doors. Definitely a big complaint amongst prospective owners that like doing outdoor stuff.

Only the front doors would be usable with that design.

A Tesla rep told me that he thinks the falcon wings might be optional.

Are you seriously thinking of using a $100,000 car to carry a mattress on the roof? What is your problem?!!! The point is to convey the occupants in style, with lots of comfort, cool features, and entertaining technology; NOT tote junk.

The Model S is not a station wagon, SUV, minivan, or a truck. Those are vehicles suited for doing such deeds.

The Model X is like the Porsche Cayenne or Range Rover Sport. People don't actually use those to haul stuff in. They are fast, large luxury conveyances for the well to do.

The drag caused by large objects on the roof of the Model S or X would drastically reduce the range making long trips impossible. The 60kWh Model S already gets 208 miles per chare. The Model X 60kWh which will be 10% less efficient will only have a 187-mile range, not counting reductions.

Samuel - An $80,000 SUV that can't carry a surfboard, kayak, or skis is impractical. Now I have to buy another car if I want to carry my kayak? The $80,000 SUV should be able to handle all my needs. If people want to reduce their range efficiency by hauling something, that's their choice, except that with the design of the X, it actually ISN'T their choice, and it's going to negatively affect sales unless they come up with a solution for it.

The falcon wings should be an option for $10K more or something. I'd rather have regular doors with more versatility for less $$$.

I think at this point, regular doors will cost 10k more.

@Samuel

I hate "luxury" cars because I thought they are impractical.

I am fan of Bjørn's youtube that showed he was hauling pretty much everything in his Model S in the cold winter of Norway.

He's featured on Tesla's site:

http://www.teslamotors.com/customers/story-bjorn-nyland

He was sleeping in his Model S and also hauling live pigeons with feathers flying all over :)

I want a practical electric car, not a luxury electric car.

Until Tesla can produce an electric truck, I am not going to complain about the practical aspect of Model S and X :)

Elon talked about this recently, skis can be mounted on the roof on the thin strip between the falcon doors or stuff them inside. Assume the same is true for a kayak if slotted sideways.

Hmm, maybe a hinged rig that lifts somewhat with the doors? Ingeneers are engenious. Or SLT.

As Iowa92x mentioned above, in a recent town hall discussion ( I believe in Norway) , Elon assured the audience that he is well aware of the need, and he said it will be possible to transport ski's on the roof.

@Iowa92x and @David N

Thanks. Does it sounds like Elon has partially solved the the demand for roof rack system by allowing the option as long as it does not interfere with the function of Falcon Wings?

Does it sound like the rook racks will be a very thin strip between the wings which will not accommodate any thing wider than skis only. And of course, the size of the skis has to fit.

Could any one analyze the photo and see whether the inter-wing space is plenty for all sizes of skis (kids as well as adults?)

No. It is not enough room for skis. Maybe Nordic skis but certainly not alpine skis that are nearly as wide as snowboards now. Even if the rack folds up with the doors there's not enough room for bindings in there.

I remain very skeptical regarding this roof rack that Elon says they have and I will remain so until I can actually use it myself or see a detailed demonstration. I just don't see how they can make it work.

Oh and I don't want one side of the doors disabled to use the rack. That is entirely too inconvenient.

I believe the skis are intended to go onto the roof in a vertical position (On the side rather than flat. If two are strapped together they will fit.) Also, the dimensions of the top of the doors may change slightly for the final production model.

Without pictures it's hard to visualize what you're describing exactly. Let me put some numbers to it though. I just measured my skis. My wide pair is about 5.5 inches across at the tips and just shy of 6 inches at the brakes (when deployed because there's no boot in them). And they are not the widest on the market. Also, with both skis strapped together base to base the wide part is at the binding heel and the narrowest pair is about nine inches across at this point.

If I had to estimate using the picture above I would say that gap between the fully open falcon doors is 5, maybe six inches.

Snowboards are even wider still but maybe with the bindings folded flat are thinner in that dimension.

I just don't see skis fitting up there in any way.

Cheers!

An actress could have easily ordered a delivery of an purchased item instead of hauling things in her vehicle.

However, as you can see, actress Hayden Panettiere was activating her Porsche Cayenne's fob as her brother was carrying a mattress to the SUV.

Who says luxury SUV must be impractical?

http://www.justjared.com/2008/07/31/hayden-panettiere-parking-ticket/

Folks, if Tesla can invent the Model S and X, they can surely find a solution for hauling skis on/in the X.

Problem with in the middle of falcon doors solution is that it allows only for one set of skis at maximum. Most of the time ppl carry more than one set.

TM engineers started a rumor some time ago that they had a brilliant secret solution.

A hydraulic roof rack system was proposed by some in the Tesla Motors Club forum:

http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/7717-Model-X-Roof-Rack-Hit...

And this too which lifts straight up:

I am looking at getting a MX and did not think of the roof rack problem because I never intended to use one but I might still want the option. The roof rack that rises up is the first thing I thought of when I heard about this potential problem. I think this would be the most simple

I think a hitch with a cantilever platform would work better than a roof rack.

I don't recall the last time I actually saw an SUV with a roof rack. There is huge amounts of room inside. (especially the X, with the frunk!)

If there was a Tesla designed hitch/platform, then they can design it with aerodynamics in mind to reduce the drag that usually is produced.

I currently own a BMW SUV and yes I use my vehicle for outdoor activities such as kite boarding, towing my boat, transporting my kevlar canoe on the roof and carrying 2 x 4 lumber every now and then. I am looking very much forward to upgrading to a Model X later this year but it better have the basic skill set my my current SUV has, which includes a roof rack (just like very SUV currently out in the marketplace). This is just a very obvious requirement, otherwise count me out.

A roof rack and towing capacity(even if greatly reduced) are a must have in my opinion. We have had our model S for about 6 months now and the mileage driven on our Cayanne has dropped dramatically, however it is our go to vehicle for ski trips.

They will need to figure this out if the want to fully tap into the SUV market. SUV's are almost half of Porsche sales.

Thanks Alex K for great hydraulic roof rack proposal.

For those who wonder why not just drop the subject and start thinking about towing:

1) There's no info on Model X towing but Model S manual says "Not Permissible"

2) Even if it is permissible, it is a special skill that I do not want to risk as a new learner with increased risk of accidents because the following skills are very different:

a) Backing up
b) Turning with wider turn
c) Acceleration and Passing
d) Following distance
e) Grades--steep hill
f) Braking
g) swaying/instability controls...

Tam - I agree. I'd rather sacrifice range for a camping trip than tow a heavy trailer.

I like Alex K's ideas, *except* the hydraulic/motion feature is ONLY serving to move away from the falcon doors, and might cause extra issues if obstacles/ceilings hinder the motion of the rack (and therefore the doors).

I'm thinking Tesla may implement a powered version similar to this design:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJtRTOBNxFU

The X roof rack could slide backwards, onto and maybe past the lower back end of the X. It may pivot further down if it moves past the liftgate. This way, it gets out of the way of the falcon doors AND brings the rack to an easier loading height.

Suddenly, the design accommodates the falcon doors and is more usable than anything you could attach to a traditional high/square-backed SUV. Double win for Tesla.

Admittedly, there is one obvious drawback: you won't be able to open the rear hatch and the falcon doors at the same time if a rack is installed....small price to pay, I think, since both the rack and the hatch are for cargo.

Folks, I am really amused at the number of people who seemingly didn't look at the picture of the X when placing an order. Personally, I did and love the look of the FW doors. If you really want an SUV with a roof rack and/or can't see a way to put skis inside the X, sounds like you should buy a different SUV. Sabre-rattling about cancelling your order if the FW doors preclude a roof rack at this point in the process is unlikely to generate a major change in the X design. (I'd love it if you would cancel 'cause that would move my reservation number up in the schedule.)


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