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Dealing with ICED Superchargers

I think that Elon Musk should just implement some bollards at the Superchargers. The Teslas clearly have identifying elements that could cause the bollards to recede. This would stop the asshats driving the ICE cars from parking in the nice spaces... Your opinions?

Yeah, would be a great Idea. Some kind of HomeLink maybe?

This simply puts the expense of keeping ICE vehicles out of EV charging spaces on the company and eventually the consumer.

Put the expense of bad behavior on the perpetrator and tow the vehicle. The certainty of a painful experience is the only education necessary.

A couple of other possible solutions...

A simple mechanical gate at the entrance to the space, with an electronic lock that could be triggered from inside the car (either HomeLink or a command routed through the internet). This solution might also support a queuing system to only open the gate for the "next car" waiting for the charger.

Another option would be an extension for the charging cable that could reach beyond the parking space. If an ICE is parked there, then a Model S could park at the end of the space and still get a charge.

Better solutions - such as automatic gates or bollards - would be better, but the increased expense would probably rule them out.

Or maybe change the sign to something like Chili's has used:

"Warning High Voltage Charging Station - Parking reserved only for electric vehicles while being charged - other cars will be crushed and melted"

I'd rather they not do that - save the money and keep the cost down, and put it towards more superchargers.

Just park a tow truck next to the SC's

hsadler +1

Make parking in SC expensive. When Tesla plugs in, car signals how long charging it needs. Car is given free parking for this + 15 minutes. This solves two problems: If ICE wants to park in SC he must pay more than in other places nearby. Tesla owner will come to move car when charged.

@jkn: who enforces the parking? Who collects the money and how? Most SC are in free parking lots. There are no gates or attendants or meters. That's the basic problem. The malls that own the parking lot are unwilling to tow ICEing vehicles in the first place.

@jtodman:

"Put the expense of bad behavior on the perpetrator and tow the vehicle. The certainty of a painful experience is the only education necessary."

Agreed. If we change bylaws such that parking in an EV spot is akin to parking in an unauthorized area people will learn it's too expensive to park at a SC if you aren't supposed to. Furthermore drivers are already used to watching for parking signs and there is an infrastructure designed to handle parking violations.

I think the Gate idea with the auto locks and what not would be a great idea. Also the bollord is probably better! All synced to the Homelink in the cars. But heres the major issue: If it fails to open or unlock for some reason, who is there to fix it on a daily basis? Having a number to call wouldn't help when you need to charge at that moment.

My solution to this problem: Have tow away signs up and such. Then inform all businesses around all superchargers that if they see a car, other than a Tesla, they should call the tow away number.

Then to take it one step further, put up sensors or "scanners" that does link to your homelink when you pull in to charge. A notification pops up on the screen that will need to be confirmed once in. Just to verify that it is a tesla in the stalls. Just something i thought of. It can all be done with small maintenance to the superchargers (not even a day) and an update to the cars.

Just my thoughts on it.

I stopped at Collin's Bakery in Corsicana TX this past weekend to get some goodies and see the superchargers. When we got there, no Teslas were present but later I saw a vehicle park in a SC spot so I went outside to chat, assuming it was a Tesla. It was an ICE driver who appeared to be genuinely oblivious that she had parked in a reserved spot. When I pointed out that she was in a reserved spot and expressed concern that she might be towed, she (an older lady) was surprised and immediately moved her car to a nearby open non-SC spot [which was actually closer to the door than the SC spot she'd initially taken...].

It was a revelation to me that some of the ICE offenders may be parking in SC spots due to authentic ignorance rather than malice.

Don't get me wrong, I still think they should be towed, but I'm more inclined to give the benefit of the doubt now.

How about just putting them in areas that are not in the prime spots? That way, people won't want to park in them for convenience/laziness or resent that Tesla drivers are being given special treatment.

And for those of us that chose not to pay $4000 for home link how do we gain access.

This is the law in Washington. Maybe you can convince your legislatures to do something similar.

Per RCW 46.08.185 it is a parking infraction to be parked in a properly indicated EV charging station and not be connected to the charging equipment. The fine is $124.

Same amount as unauthorized parking in a handicap spot I think.

Signage isn't the best of solutions but since Tesla only has permission to use in most cases signage my help. This is from Port Lucie in FL.

https://www.dropbox.com/sc/xey20ga90o25s5r/-XBHnZYNiZ

https://www.dropbox.com/sc/9d13rir8a3ys4is/vh0-mMm6pw

Personally an aggressive towing company would solve it but the landlords/property owners won't stand for it.

Should have added the RCW applies to charging stations on both public & private property.

Meanwhile, some guy got tossed in jail for 15 hours for using an electrical outlet at a school. ; )

Just put a weight sensor under each parking spot. If the weight doesn't match, OR the car doesn't plug in, Tesla Central is automatically notified and a tow truck pulls the car (only returned to owner at owner's expense). I guess you'd need legislation for that last bit.

@logicalthinker Please tell me this: what purpose does it serve for Tesla to incur any additonal costs of construction just to protect a few charging spots from some rude and inconsiderate people?

Yes, all the suggestions are clever in a Rube Goldbergish kind of way, but the whole idea is just silly.

In my opinion, paint is the answer to this problem. If the supercharger parking spots were painted with bright colors such as green (with red stripes), folks would think twice about parking there. You could also paint a charging sign on the asphalt or concrete as well.

Why not put large orange traffic cones (chained to the SC) that are only to be moved by EV owners? They're cheap and would keep the most distracted of drivers out of an EV charging spot. The EV owner can move them while they're charging, and put them back when they leave.

+1 @ skymaster

Perhaps painting the word 'RESERVED' would also go a long way towards keeping others out of those spots.

Pull up behind the offender and start charging. Once the aisle are blocked, management will get the message and start putting up signs and enforce/tow the offending ICE.

As long as bad ICE behavior is rewarded (or has no consequences), things will not changed.

The property owners have agreed to allow Tesla to install SC stalls. They have an obligation to establish and enforce rules to make that space available for the purpose that is intented.

Question...if a space is occupied by an ICE box an extension cord to bypass would be nice. I know TM's position on extension cords but is there an after market solution to extend the 3' Tesla cord from the SC? You could also block the ICE.

+1 @ mrspaghetti: I had a similar experience with an oblivious ICE driver: I was waiting for a SC spot to open up and just as it did he attempted to pull in. When I explained that I was about to charge he very nicely drove to another spot obviously unaware what the spot was for. It was a prime spot near the entrance of the rest area and he just did not read the sign. So while it sucks that SC spots are ICE'd please remember that it is not always intentional.

@mrspaghetti. It was a revelation to me that some of the ICE offenders may be parking in SC spots due to authentic ignorance rather than malice.

Hanlon's Razor Never attribute to malice that which is easily explained by stupidity.

bogartsdad;
The cords aren't long enough. You must park right beside the charger.

"It was a revelation to me that some of the ICE offenders may be parking in SC spots due to authentic ignorance"

"So while it sucks that SC spots are ICE'd please remember that it is not always intentional."

What if it is not 'some' / 'not always': but rather 'most' / 'rarely'?

A more friendly, educational approach (instead of towing or blocking) might be a better first step to deal with this. Clearer signage, painted pavement, a leaflet under the windscreen wiper. That sort of stuff.

Oh, and another thing that just popped into my mind.

How big are the chances of you really being prevented from charging due to icing?

If it is at a busy Supercharger, an ICE vehicle owner will probably be addressed by one of the owners of the charging Tesla's.

If it is a quiet Supercharger, then there are enough free spots available to charge, and the icing has no concrete consequences.

Is there a 'true' victim of icing here? Someone that arrived at a Supercharger and had to wait until one of the Supercharger spots became available, while there was at least one spot taken by an ICE vehicle?

It isn't stupidity. It is human nature. Most people don't even recognize altered signalization in own streets, etc.. The spaces need to be clearly marked, best with a flashing LED diode at the sign. To draw attention to
the signage. None of us here are stupid for not seeing a piece of signage
we don't expect or aren't expecting to encounter. Yes, it is annoying but
people are like cows most of the time.. When on auto pilot.

And you can actually piss normal people off by trying to interfere with their auto pilot. Years ago there was a lethal fire in a Chicago subway station. A
guy was standing at the entrance, trying to warn people not to go. This was
during rush hour, so people were in a hurry. He was largely ingnored and
even pushed away and yelled by some. We have low level software installed.

Just saying, no need to harbor such deep dissent toward ICE drivers in general.
When you meet a prick though, go right off and let them know. But for normal people, I usually let them know politely, without making them fell we EV drivers are douches. Usually they respond quickly and always want to know more about the car and EVs in general and it is a good opportunity to
make a few new converts. So it is really annoying bein ICEd, but I would
advice some basic etiquette, until and unless you find it was intentional.


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