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Very msc. EV topics. Freewheelling, where decorum to "stay on topic" is not so critical.


no snow and ice is better. But what are intentions of going solar?
* never, ever pay again for gasoline? You just need an EV, no PV.
* produce your own energy? Check out a grid connected PV system to power house and vehicle. Done by roadster owner Dr Rob Wilder
* energy autonomy? that's the most expensive variant and only makes sense to me if you are off-grid. Since your setup includes commuting, I assume the electric grid is there.


Thanks for the input very much Volker. This is truly an interesting facet to the whole EV picture. Hope the cost scale is such that enough people worldwide can go this route and really make an impact. Will surely check out the website you furnished. Thanks again.

Well since this is a very generic thread open for a lot of wide ranginging discussion. Lets talk about unemplyment. I very much respect a lot of input I have read off the msc threads on a wide variety of topics. I feel that unemplyment does relate to EV's. Realize that lot of you folks in other countries may be facing similar unemployment problems we are her in USA.

Questions are 1. How did we get here? 2. What do we do to bring unemployment down.

In USA I am so tired of shoddy products such as small appliances, and many other items we buy at our big and small retailers. I am willing to pay more for better products , think it would be easier on my budget in the long run. I would like to see a huge chain of stores where quality products were sold as opposed to stuff not worth really bringing home. These products would not necessarily have to come from the USA entirely. Dont get me wrong their are some exceptions, I buy hightop boots in a large chain store that are much better than some expensive name brand boots. These superior boots are made in China to. We have a clock that has been wonderful, sponsered by the Audabon Society made in China. So not picking on China necessarily. But sadly as I know the Chinese people are an industrious , wonderful, hardworking people and it is not the fault of the mass of Chinese people,but such a high volume of stuff comes from there that is not worth purchasing? Think we have been here before so everybody weigh in and tell me how do we get employment up In the USA and in your respective countries. Is the answer interim protectivism?

Shop quality, not price. Protectionism protects onshore low quality products over imported ones. It is thus self-defeating.

BriaH, Absolutely see your logic but in my neighborhood the question would be where do I go for quality, the shoddy stuff is everywhere and don't even know of any stores that carry better stuff, even in the malls. So while not really advocating any type protectionism, if its going to be shoddy stuff anyway at least our dollars would stay in our respective countries for the same shoddy stuff. Of course I know this is not a very logical direction. I was just wondering how a consumer based movement in all our respective countries could get the quality up. Maybe start national chains that sold good quality just for the massive amounts of everyday products "so to speak".

Another thing I was wondering, If the countries where all the majority of the shoddy stuff comes from are making big bucks off the USA buying the stuff then what if we or any other country as far as that goes, might turn the tables on them and sell them some better quality than they currently have acess to. Wonder what kind of international economic graph this might create. Tesla EV's being a prime example although I realize Tesla EV's is kind of getting out of the area of everyday massive volume products.

So it all comes down to the old addage concerning who makes the better moustraps. Victor use to make some of the best ones in the USA, last ones I bought were not Victor and made in another country and lousy. So do you see my point about turning the tables and selling said country some good Victor mouse traps along wth some Tesla EV's of course.

I never see any of the 'everyday items" I am speaking off made in Euopean countries, Scandanavia etc. Bet their stuff is very good.

So now that this can of worms has been reopened, lets vet it good.

Still would like to here someone farly well versed in economics comment on countries with high unemplyment. How we got here and how do we get out?

Personally based on nothing academic obviously I am just of the shcool that believes that if the working class {tradesmen, factory workers, the butcher ,baker ,candlestick maker} is optimally employed and has some discretionary spending ability{jingling money} then every thing will be alright with that particular countries economy. I am just hold kind of a "bubble up" rather than a "trickle down" view of economics. But I am open to other points of view as mine may be flawed. Just kind of "gut insticnt" thing with me.

No I am really not an isolationist or permanent protectionist but it seems that things have gotten a little skewed on our balanmce of trade etc with certain countries. This Is simplistic and I know can probably be explained easily by someone well versed in economics and world trade. There is a huge Mercedes plant less than 100 miles from me , Toyota, Honda, Hyndai{sp} facilities all less than 300 miles from me here in the south. So why do these companies actually come to this country and make a quality product and a lot of our american textile manufacturers, and many other types of companies have to go running offshore and pay substandard wages and make a substandard product and ship it back here to sell at actually a price that americans use to pay for a godd made in US product that in many cases had such marginal value it could be repaired at a nominal price and get even more marginal economics out of the product. I know that the southern states are mostly "right to work" states but what about all the other companies that have left the south and other parts of the country. Is it corrupt, overly greedy unreasonable labor unions, or unpatriotic ,ungrateful for the military protection this country affords them, so greedy that they want to make unreasonable profits dealing with communist regimes that have the masses under their thumb. {Incedently if this latter is the case somebody ought to make these companies front page news and boycott the crap out of their cheap shoddy products}. If this is the companies behavior in regards to hunting out cheap labor under iron fisted communist regimes, this is humanly despicable. So to these companies I would try to get them to sit down with the unions and say our country is in trouble and the problem will only get worse if we don't get together, government, labor, and private corporations and work together because nobody gets to have all the pie or even a slice as large as they want {its fattening and unhealthy anyway}. But lets elininate some of the excessive greed and work together to get the company headquarters even as well as their factories back in america and for the uninons to exercise a little common sense since they now know its a global thing and not price theirselves out of the market. Or this globalization thing is going to be just like someone said on this very website when everybody is making sis dollars an hour then we are globalized{ talking abount king masses here}. Not exactly the american dream. Nor should it be any countries dream. So in this diatribe have we isolated some bad players that need some adjustments. 1. The willingness of some of our american comapanies to deal with communist regimes who can hold down their workers wages to peanuts{dispicable and downright cruel}. The communist regimes then taking the profits to gain control of the Western Pacific eventually. 2. Labor unions semmingly unawares of the global economy and pricing our workiers out of jobs. 3. Government just generally not minding the store as just the average american worker is dependng on them to do, and elected government being controlled by special interests be it oil or whatever.

Think this whole world trade thing has gotten badyly out of control from a USA standpoint ,don't know about your particular countries.

Think the segments of corporate america that are playing the games listed above better watch out or they will eventually outsmart themselves and their will be no bottom line as the job picture in america will be so bad and in perhaps in other parts of the world. In short anyone dealing in "slave labor" is making it bad for everybody as well as the slaves. Believe me I live in the very heart of where much "slave labor" took place and we had a terrible war about that. Will it take another one, hope not.

Surely the Marxist-Lenin concepts of class warfare are not right after all.

So lets here some cause and effect and someone educate me on world trade, is it askew or not?

Typos, in parenthtical statement sid king masses meant large masses.

menat to imply companies seeking out communist controlled labor at one point looked like I was still talking about the unions.

And as a postcrpt hope we have not got into a "captilialism gone wild" situation where we are dealing unfairly to everybody with a system diametrically opposed to our own. This is going back to feudalism in my book not the traditional brand of USA captilism where quality productdelivered at a quality cost. Soory I left the energy thugs out of this diatribe. But we are after those dudes are we not.

You can buy any product you desire that is either made in the usa or high quality. The price is usually why people don't.

qwk, As I said before in my neighborhood it is very hard to find good quality products made in USA or or hardly any products at all. I live in a very eclectic neighborhood consisting from poor to wealthy. Well actually maybe some products as recently I priced a pair of hedge clippers made in USA , lifetime warranty for around fiteen dollars went back to get a pair a few weeks later and all gone. Went to large international chain had a name brand pair, made in China, lifetime warranty also for around twenty six dollars didn't purchase them as felt surely would have to be shipping them back before too long. As I have bought a blood pressure monitor from a national chain pharmacy, made in China, lifetime warranty, think I am on about the third monitor in about five years, all cheerfully exchanged with no hassle from the manufacturer or I should say distributor, but this is a drag to be returning stuff so often even if under lifetime warranty. Just please come back and make it in the USA and I will be glad to pay a little more for it and in the case of tvs, shoes, etc get things back to where I can resole and reheel a good pair of shoes for a lot less than original price and get more marginal economics out of my products, like we use to do years ago. Lets get out of this "throw away" chaeper to buy a new one of not the greatest quality rather than fix a good pair of shoes or a tv or many applainces such as refrigerators, washers,and dryers. Just seems like a better road to go to me. Because you know it is soaking up the energy of various kinds to just make throw away stuff. Lets make some good stuff in America and sell it to the countries who have become prosperous through unfair trade with USA and ship them some good stuff. They might just lap it up. I know for one I would definitely like to pay a little more and get a product I wasn't going to be sending back often just so the warranty was honored. I know the Japanese got their act together on quality as expressed by BriaH in one of his post. But we need to get our manufacturing base back into america with quality products and reasonable wages. I know there is plenty of blame to go around for the mess we have got ourselves in with unemployment and high debt to a communist regime,and know we have priced ourselves right out of the market in so many cases so lets just get everybody together and get our manufacturing base back here.Whatever it takes. Its not all labor union's fault, its not all government's fault, and its not all private manufacturing's fault. But it is all some of all their fault. Let's get it together guys. We know we are in a globalized economy. The unions should realize this quite well by now and we know we live in a free country and I can have made what I want to and where I want to in the entire world, so lets think through this and figure out how we can compete and still have our great american standard of living that we have been blessed with.

Once heard we could not fight a war with anyone as we would have nobody to make our uniforms but later found out that years ago a company in the USA was commisioned to make our uniforms so they would always be made in the USA. So you see this kind of underlines the caution we should maybe keep in the back of our minds, albeit in a quirky kind of way.

Think this is a repeat but unerlines importance of our USA manufacturing base. College prof I had was captured by our now friends the Germans in world war two and they were running standard indoctrination on him explaining how we couldn't win etc. He told them thre was no way we could lose because of cigarette lighters, they were puzzled and asked him to explain. And of course at the time our manufacturing base for the war effort was all out. He explained to them that with our manufacturing capability at the time that we could make so many cigarette lighters that we could cover Germany in three feet of cigarette lighters and he would like to see anybody fight a war in three feet of cigaette lighters,LOL. After this they let him alone.

It's election season in America and as you can guess I am actually a man without a party as I am a social conservative and both parties seemingly abandoned this principle, the party that use to uphold this principle is willing to accomodate for votes to win elections and the other party has abandoned them long, long, ago and I know in my heart there are a lot of people in this party that use to be my party and my families party for generations could not help feel some uneasiness as they attend churches, synagouges, and other places of worship. And when they open the scripture , they have just had this accomodation thrust upon them and in their heart they would really like to see it change. And many in the party that has been my party in recent years they must cringe at the willingness to accomodate for votes.

I would like to see a good social conservative candidate, with a balanced fiscal approach come down through both parties "roll the dice" stand on principle's of our "all our yesterdays" and just soak up the disenchanted from both parties and win or lose let the chips fall where they may knowing that they have "fought the good fight".

Know all this may seem very far fetched from EV's but please take my word. It is not.


I can't believe I actually managed to fit a typo in five letter responce: tl;dr.

Well Searcher,

For years Craftsman tool had lifetime warranties. Now the story is that all TVs are manufactured in China, have
a built-in two year life time, and are impossible to get replacement parts. I don't know if that's true, but my most recent TV is about two years old and the tuner on one of the channels doesn't seem to be working. I know the signal from the antenna is okay, since I can receive that channel clearly on my computer.

The question becomes "Do we want to pay more for a TV (or other electronic appliance) to avoid all the devices ending up as waste?"

David70, One of my best friends is a TV repairman in rural Alabama. Only repairman in about three counties I think. I think he would anwer your question with a resounding yes on the parts thing. His work is steadily getting more economically difficult.

My answer to you question is I had rather pay more for something I could have repaired. Bought a Misubishi TV eons ago, paid good price for it. Absolutely best TV I have ever owned. Went out on a limb and had it repaired, about one hundred fifty bucks, six years ago as it had apparently sustained damages in a move from one house to another. That baby is still working like a champ, placed a digital converter on it and picture better than ever. So BrinH was right about the Japenese geting their act together on quality and I do hope the chinese will to. As alredy have said a particular clock we have from China has been flawless and boots I buy at the big store much better than the boutique name brand ones{don't know where they are made}.

But a big consideration in allthis discussion is there will always be demand and products service provided as long as current age goes on but question is how are the profits divided up,as there will always be profits I hope. Will it be divided up fairly between the working people actually providing the labor producing the goods and services, the private owners of the companies, and the government. Right now it's not as I know the wonderful hard working people of China are not getting their fair share of the pie so are our companies that have aborted us and exploiting this cheap labor being repressed by a communist regime lining their corporate pockets with cash and the represive governments lining their pockets. And both these companies and the repressive governments are thus repressing other countries whose worker are expecting and fully desrve a larger portion of the pie.

As a footnote, a famous rdio commentator with a somewhat imflamatory style can tell how some countries know how to steal a whole industry from another country. He says the USA ,for example use to make some good cameras and electronics but says this industry was stolen right out from under them, similar things might have happened to your respective countries. He mentions it was involed with unfair trade practices the best I can recollect. So He explains it quite well but I can't. But if this be the case maybe "The Donald" is right and all countries might do well to heed his warning concerning fair trade.

I still wonder if we couldn't convince the savvy "young lions" of the manufacturing segment that they had better proceed with caution as they might "outsmart" themselves and the bottom line might fade into obsecurity concerning all these unsavory alliances.


I used to think that the only way we could reduce the amount of immigration to this country (i.e. the U.S.) would be to allow the standard of living of workers in other (so called 3rd world) countries to a level approaching ours. Unfortunately it appears the reverse is happening. i.e. the standard of living for workers (and unemployed) here being reduced to that of the 3rd world countries. Hopefully there will be other farsighted entrepreneurs (such as Elon Muak) who are willing to take the chance to reverse the trend.

David70, I guess on reflection the "american dream" is now becoming the "american reality". A few years ago I watched a good bit of Home and Garden TV Channel and these young couples would have to be paying riduculous prices for not so great beginner homes and I would wonder "how can these kids afford these homes as I don't see how they could have climbed up the corporate or technical ladder much at such young ages". Well I guess everything was inflated too much, salaries and every thing else. Now suppose some of the countries I have been fussing about get their act together on quality products then we are facing competitors with a quality product at a relatively low price. Then countries like the USA have really got to put their thinking caps on and figure out something we can export back to them that they really want. I am sure that we do have many such products. Probably will be a lifestyle element involed here the younger consumer, {young adult workers}. So we export cool,huh. Associated with young american lifestyles {for better or worse for said countries}. Going to take some real creativity here.

One bright spot I will illustrate in all this economic morass. Last week by word of mouth I contacted licensed electrician who installed a flourescent light in my carport. Wasn't listed in the yellow pages and all that stuff. Just kind of a free lancer, his company headquarters probably being his truck. Which he had got at a state auction probably at a premium price due to a good size dent on front fender and was a well maintained but older vehicle. He did the installation for about half the price of listed in the yellow pages contractors. Excellent job. A few years ago in the area of the USA I live in there would probably have been no pathway for this young man to get to be a licensed electrician, "but times they are changing". So for goods and services I don't need someone in a foreign country that is not at hand to provide so I guess this is a bright spot in our economy just due to logistical considerations. Incendently this young electrician was asking if there was any land for sale out in my area, so there is some prosperity going on. All is not gloom I suppose. I just really hate to see high unemployment as it is particularly rough on kids eager to get on with their lives and careers. Remember how rough it was for me starting out in the very early sixties, entry level jobs just so hard to find. But if Steve Forbes or someone were talking to me he would probably remove a lot of my apprehensions about the jobs picture. Got to be some business people with enough capital to "prime the pump" so to speak and get this thing going again. Know we have a lot of exportable food stuffs, timber, agricultural products to export. Just got to make sure we trade on a level trading field. Hope we can make this happen. Then everybody can buy more Tesla's. Bet this electician I was speaking about could build him a solar unit I was discussing awhile back. The twenty grand unit. He could do it for himself at a very good price I bet. Looks like we all may have to learn more about "lectricty" LOL.

What I am fixing to discuss may sound like it is getting into the political realm but that is not my intention as one thing I hope to do is stay apolitical because anything else would be getting out of the parameters of even this thread.

I heard Bill Oreilly make the comment on his show that while the President was making his speech tonight on jobs that a man{forgot his name} was sitting beside The First Lady and this man had moved his company operations to China and possible thought Bill might have said his coporate headquarters to. Well I have called these type corporate people "bleeps" in previous discussions. So I just don't know. Seems that Biil thought it was a little bizzare as did I. Bill mentioned he wanted to see more things going across the world with three little words on them "Made In America" as do I.

So what gives on this balance of trade thing with China am I just not understanding this issue or what? If I am misunderstanding it I sure hope someone will explain some things about our China trade that I may not be understanding. Could it be they are selling us toaster ovens and we are selling them Caterpillar tractors. So just how does this balance of trade thing work out if anyone cares to elaborate?

Oh incendently we bought a General Electric toaster oven{made in China} from the "big store". Oven worked great for about two years and now has a short or something. Still under warranty and I will go pick up another. But this is such a hassle.

About labour in China getting its fair share: surprise, economic forces CANNOT be evaded. The one child policy is starting to bite, and there is a shortage of young qualified help. Wages as percentage of GDP etc are rising fast. The gov't, not being entirely idiotic, is actually glad this is happening because it puts cash in the hands of consumers and lifts everything "from below".

BrianH, First: thanks for taking the time to reply to my questions and apprehensions. Second: Thanks also for the time it must take for you to be a very well informed individual.

I was basing a lot of my apprhensions on information I had recieved aprx. two years ago from someone who had just spent twenty years in China.

So sounds like things might be changing some for the better. I especially liked the aspect of bringing things up from the bottom as I believe a;; apects of the economic engine have to be balanced fairly well for the well being of the professional class as well as the working class{certinly not to imply the professional class doesn't work as I know from first hand observation they work extremely hard} so no class warfare here.

Your messege was reassuring to me and honestly I feel much better as I actually do have confidence in the integrity of your information.

Now will you plese tell me how to get rid of the extra {not original} thread I have out there? Like I said before I am not too conversant with PC's as I have had one only fairly recently and my work was on large mainframes, printers, tape silos and the like. Different animal altogether and I sure am not ashamed to ask elementary questions if I don't know.

Thkyuvermuch and TCB Just in case you dont know what the TCB is all about, Elvis would give employees etc, who had done a good job rings and other jewelry with an inscription of a lightening bolt with the letters TCB on them. This represented 'Taking care of business" very quickly and effeciently.

I think a thread is forever unless the moderators kill it. Maybe you could flag your own as "inappropriate"?? ;)

Looking back over some of the post on this thread and ggggggggggggggggggot into discussion ofnuclear for recharging etc. Some of the stuff got to sounding fairly safe.

Now qustion to some you "atomic foks". Ever a chance of a nuclear powered car with no more danger than gas powered car in collision or does this one go back into the "snowball in hell" bin? Just asking now, not advocating one way or another.

Also in totally unrelated vein does anybody remember waht the "firepower capability of some of our most advanced battleships was seems like abilility to destroy combined military might of the woeld five times over, this seems kind of extravegant, does anybody remeber it, we discussed it somewhere.

Another unrelated question, haven't been on site much what are latest developments in the Tesla lawsuit with the BBC?

Still another unrelated, why don't some of us notify the presidential candidates{all} about Tesla, never hear Tesla mentioned , or course we all understand about the government and the GM thing but still this car company needs to me mentioned. I will pesrsonally try to see that it is. So if you see them mention Tesla you will know "ole searcher" did good.

Brianh, Got a survey call would I be in favor of bringing oil pipeline across US border going from Canada to refineries in Houston and of course I said yes. Where all would this oil be coming from, any from the Artic?

So everyone take your pick at any of these comments and questions.

G Whiz, sorry my sleepy finger got stuck on the 'G".

After thoughts, all USA folks don't you think the Raptor program needs to be rolled back out and sell a few of thes babies to our friends and pray to the diety that they stay our friends and none of the Raptors would ever have to be used by anyone, anywhere. Maybe we could have a "fail safe" shut off device in them that could not be aborted in case they fell into wrong hands.The Raptor program was twenty years ahead of anyone in the world three years ago, probably moving closer and closer to parity now. What is up with Iran they are suppossedly struggling to develop one nuclear war head and Israel has over 300. Iran may have many as far as we know right now though. Who really knows. But seems to me if anyone in the area wants to "get it on" with Israel that it would be a policy of not MAD as in the cold war but a policy of SAD {sure assued destruction. Oh well Israels enemies are going to find out one day anyway in a place called "The Plain of Megiddo" so enemies of Israel, better change your ways, the ones that don't will have a hook in their jaw to draw them to these battles, gonna happen for sure , just read the headlines. To bad for Israels enimies as they will be facing a force never seen in modern warfare{or again maybe so} but very evident in ancient old battles, read your history enimies of Israel, just hope the USA stands with Israel just as long as our present world exists. While we are in battle mode think the USA has got to learn to fight much smarter and much more economical than our terrorist enemies, we can do it. The Raptors are for keeping the 'big boys" at bay. Anti terrorist action, I predict, is fixing to take a turn for the smarter, "terrorism" free world style. Also you dummies those women in these supreesed mid east countries don't won't this extreme crap. Better take a note from the Irish situation where women were united against the violence. It's all about the 'couch" guys.

Out of wargmaes mode now, not worried in the least because I have read the end of the book.

Really hoping to get some Auburn engineering students turned on to the site as well as some profs , promise I will make contact this week. They have a car to you know. No not one they bought, one they built. LOL

The pipeline currently approved would be for natural gas, from Alaska and the Cdn north. Oil would likely be from the oil sands (several times Saudi Arabia's resources).

re Nat Gas; just saw an article about the UK; seems they've discovered a huge frack field, ~200 trillion cu' or so, almost equivalent to the US total to date. So all of their insane wind turbine projects etc. are even more un-economic. Whatta hoot!

BrianH, Guess it seems to some that it is incongrous that we are discussing oil pipelines and natural gas reserves but it's all in the mix of supply and demand as everybody knows that will always be tremendous demands for all types of energy including the electricity used to charge electric cars.

All the military talk was relevant in that it pertains to global stability and stability pertains to world trade and around and around we go.

What say you on the nuclear car thing, maybe back on the snowball shelf,huh?

Didn't contact the Auburn folks today but sure hope to one day this week. Of course they are probably postng all over this site.

Yeah, the pipeline they polled me on was the oil one. I didn't know they already had a natural gas one.

Understand that Japan is getting the oil from the Alaska pipeline to USA and that China is getting the Iraq oil. Whats up with all this?

Who gets what is less important than you seem to think. Oil and gas are pretty much "fungible"; if it goes on the market, it adds to the total pool, and customers get what they want from whatever sources are most convenient. If China buys from A instead of B, then B's supplies are now available. Etc.

See your point BrianH. So guess the main consideration here would be actual acessiblity to purchase.

Now ,if I may, I would like to swithch over to world trade policies. I would like to see the USA divesify it's trading partners much more. So lets say I was speaking to a potential presidential candidate and I asked him how the USA could get more European and a larger variety of countries good products on our retail shelves in the USA. What do you think might be a good answer for him. Please don't say "forget it". LOL

I would also like to know if other parts of the world are as loaded down with Chinese products in their retail outlets as the USA.

If I may ask another question and someone with some knowledge of world trade please weigh in. What are some of the leading countries with good world trade balances and some of the countries with bad world trade balances. I know the country that probably has the largest, richest, and most varied natural resoureces and that would be Africa without a doubt.

Sorry another question, does anyone have a rough average of the chinese working class {factory workers, etc} annual income as compared to the same for the USA, UK, Germany, and Scandanavia and any others?

This is a far ranging thread and world trade is very pertinent to EV's as it relates to global sales etc.

Well the "moonlight bandit" just made the second trip to my carport in as many months . First time it was gas, even left the gas can out by the road. It was a small one that belonged to a relative . This most recent trip on bright moonlight night it was a weedeater and gas can{that dangersouly leaked as the cork was out of the spout mechanism} so someone had better be careful.

Of course it really angers me when someone steals my property. My neighbor saw the figure approach my carport the other time and called the sherriff but they didn't show. I called the next day to report the incident but again a noshow by law enforcement. I can give them some unique evidence about the weedeater if they care to check wioth a few pawn shops but I doubt the will "give a rip " not woth wasting taxpayers money but we are having a rash of burgularies out our way.

So while doing some of my nightly chores and reflecting on how I could make things more secure for my carport and how I could protect my pristine 1986 Volvo 240{ would this pass as vintage}LOL,
I came up with an idea that would not be practical for me due to cost. Just a simple burgular alarm in my case but I think I have an idea that is not in the public domain. I will be checking it out and it doesn't already exists I think it would be wonderful for the Tesla as the Tesla will represent a substantial investment. Just a concept with me but was wondering if we would be getting outside of parameters of this site if someone might know how to best market a concept. Believe it would work and would work well in several security environments. Think it would be very well suited for high end security.

Of course my best security system was my fiteen year old golden lab mix I lost a little over a year ago. Have decided I need another dog.

Well gang after a brief conversation with the electrician who recently installed a flourescent light in my carport I discovered that my concept was not only in the public dmain but was on the shelves of retailers as he had already installed several for various people. This beng a motion light that start taking pictures with a hidden secured camera when the light comes on. Of course I know person would have a nice collectins of various wild varmits and neighborhood dogs and cats but in my case the "moonlight bandit" also. Ironically my tech had just moved in a house and had not purchased insurance yetand was recently hit by burglars who stoll computers, tvs, etc. So he is now fixing to install a unit for around 450 dollars that will record 24/7 and be connected to his harddrive that will in turn call him on his phone and he can see the burglars in action and call the police. It will utilize infrared technology up to so many feet. So you see I was way behind the curve with my "concept". The only thing I can think of now what if someone tries to steal a Tesla with a mask, is there "facial biometric" technology that could penetrate this identification problem. Or would the Tesla be virtully impossible to steal while it was being recharged or could it be stolen while just sitting in a parking lot by a EV savvy burglar or does the very nature of the car make it burgular proof under any circumstances.
Think my carport solution will consist of a very basic burgular alarm on my car. In the meantime am leaving the lights on all night in the carport. Still will pursue the biological alarm system as soon as I can locate a couple of beautiful golden lab mixes.
Uhaul company told me they had locks for around fouteen bucks and some change that were very burglar proof, got to put one on my chanin link fence so they can't get to my storage house and steal my riding lawn mower.
If I have the time next week think I will tour a few local pawn shops and if I locate my edger think I will surprise them them with some unique facts I know about this equipment. Think they would give it back to me. Fat chance, huh. They would just say how do they know I did not sell it to the individual who sold it to them.
Can't use the edger much anyway as I have some herniated disc. Am looking at the just approved by the FDA. Charite' artificial disk replacement. Any of you folks know anything about this let me know.

This messege is getting extremely "esoteric" now. Just know their are some well informed folks out there.

So off I go to look around for the "moonlight maruader".

Welcome! Hope you have fun here!

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Bet they eventually find a way to get the oil from Canada to USA refineries.

Have used input forum of my favorite USA presidential candidate to suggest this candidate gets to know Elon Musk and the Tesla EV's. Know these two "briany" people would both get a lot out of this.

Timo and BrianH at the risk of sounding like I am in "suck up" mode why don't you two guys get some kind of gig with Tesla Motors
in some capacity. Will have to say you two have remained interested "stalwarts" on this site all along. Know you both have probably excellent businesses or jobs already but could just maybe do ancillary work for Tesla.

Timo, I have got you pegged as a college professor of some technical sort,LOL.

Brian how are your technical/jounalism projects going?

Way off subject but wonder if some of you Euopean types could explain to me why the American FDA seems so ponderous in approving new medical breakthroughs and the Europeans are ten years, in some cases, ahead. Although in one case I know of company told me US would be years away from a new medical device and Germany for one has been using it with great results for two or three years. Incendently device made in USA? The company explained to me that there was just a difference in approach, but they,did not elaborate. It can't be that FD is trying to be so careful, as we have had some bad set backs on approved stuff. How are you guys doing on safety any more glaring set backs in safety than USA? Apologies for the "way off subect" nature of this comment but this is only way I knew of commenting with europeans.

Happy Thanksgiving{for those that celebrate it} and Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night.

Timo, I have got you pegged as a college professor of some technical sort,LOL.

Close, but not quite on target. ;-)

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