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Esoteric EV ramblings.

Very msc. EV topics. Freewheelling, where decorum to "stay on topic" is not so critical.

Hi again everyone. Good to be back. Perpetual motion, perpetual motion, perpetual motion, antigravity antigravity,antigravity. That was just to wake evry body up, LOL. Will have to read what everybody is writing andkind of get in the groove or more than likely make sure I stay out of it. So how's it going Timo, Briah H, Volker, and all the rest of the gang. Had to changemy username since I had new email address etc? So I will read up a bit and get backinto things abit. One question for anybody.Do you think all major laws of physics have been discovered or are there likely to be more discovered later?

Oh, oh. Well, Searcher, Volker decamped and is limiting his rare posts to You can go over there and bug him, if you like.

Well any opinions on whether likely to ever be any new laws of physics, elecricity, and other major scientific disciplines yet to be discovered or are they being discoved practically on a daily basis. Whatcha think Timo?

Timo is a down-to-earth type, who thinks you're a loonytunes bubblehead. I think.

There is not yet theory of everything, so something might change, but basic rules of things are already quite well understood.

Thanks for your opinion Timo. Thats all I was asking for.

Oh Brian gret defense of Timo. Thats OK though.Timo is a big boy,he can answer for himself. Which he did.

Let me ask you one directly now BrianH "old bean". Do you think many mayhave thought Tesla was a "looneytunes bubblehead"? I think they did as I think his type became the arch typical Hollywood "mad scientest".

But think BrianH there most likely, is more out there and who knows some of it might directly affect EVs.

BrianH did you never have dorm room bull sessions. With name calling like that they likely turned into "knock down, drag out brawls" but like most of us you probably wern't so cavalier in face to face conversations,LOL.

You are a hoot BrianH. Bet thats the most fun reply you have made in awhile and of course you know I am fully capable of just such smart ass ism's as you. You know I could put some tags on you right now that probably wouldn't be too far off the mark. But I will take a pass this time. Bet you thought I was going nowhere with such a question but I really am. As you see the correct door knob or steering wheel or seat type or other Tesla hardware I am not familiar with since I don't own one or ever will but I like to think in terms of any bits of new science that will directly apply and make this a car that goes from point a to point b in a really fantastic way as to be a complete departure frome dependence on ICE vehicles. Now BrianH don't you feel just a little bit juvinile,LOL.

Hey BrianH you never did tell me about your latest projects. Going well I hope.

Just a lot of kidding about your comments> I know you and Timo know your stuff. "Thankyouvermuch" it was fun. '

TM's advanced tech consists of making it possible to use the simplest available motive force we have, the electric motor, by storing enough energy compactly enough to make it useful. No fundamental revisions of universal by-laws required.

Very precise and well worded (of course, this is BrianH). But lets just pigeon hole your "for now" game plan and play "back to the future" it might be fun. Sure it will not cause any harm to Tesla's bottom line strategy . Lets justplay "mad scientest" a bit.

Are their any physics majors or profs in the house? Please join in. Is their any way an energy impulse can be created at one point induced to jump off viasome type beam a non contact device induced to travel through a device and then jump off the carrier device onto an energy storing device?

Anybody heard anything about the Volvo prototype I was reading about at leawt a couple of years ago that would have motors or something in wheels. No transmission If I recall corredtly and gas
milage in the200 mpg range.

Timo, Tell me about the car company in Finland. Think the US government bought in on this company or something like this?

Anybody,whats the deal with Chevrolet Malibu advertisement on savingenergy on downhill driving, is this anything like the braking power deal on the Tesla?

questiononly for "real deal" physics or electonics professionals. Has ther been any research on lets say device b inconjunction with device a have device b to (without any contact,drag,or any kind of power drain ondevice a to create power in device b so it can sendthiseletrical power to totally sepeate power storage device. This would have to be almost an incidental creation ofpower without interferring in any form with device a's original nad primary function.

Futeristic devices that would be neat. Looking a dimensional topogrphicmap of the USA onwall righ above my pc. Looks like the US could be turned into a vast non fossil eletric grid based largerly on hydroelectic power. Say the tidaldevices already being workedwith all aroundeast coat and gulf coat. Then small simmilar devices that could be clustered in the large river systems in theUSA and Canada if such devicecould be sucessfully invented. Thenthere is the"Mighty MIssissippi" researchwould have to be done on currentforce etc. Then theres the Rocky mountain system with all its kinetic energy in thestreams and rivers. then there is the huge pacific caoat with the tidal devices already in existaence. Sure there would haveto be lot of research to come up with relativly small clusters of devices in the streams and riversystems and workon how to couple all this power to gether Seems if some of these devices could be palced in area like riverbelow "niagara falls" that trmendous amount of electric power could be developed with minimal impaact to the ecological impact on our country. Guess this type ofapproach wouldbebest describedas a "cluster" with the whole countries electical poser worked into this grid. Knowa lot of this speculative stuff is seemeingly off course but thats why this "Esoteric" place was created, to go to a place and speculate and discuss futuristic possiblities or not thatmay be of absolute no interest to many. But just sthink of it as a place to throw ideas around. Of course bring on the critcisms "thats the whole would it work or not dyamic in place and functioning but be careful in your zeal to do a "techno beatdown" and in some people an egotistical desire to make soom look ridiculous who are not afraid to go out and think of such things. Don't kill creativity with your desire to be clever. .


You bring up some interesting ideas, there is a lot of energy potential in moving water. The current trend appears to be to abandon old small hydro stations and remove their damns to restore smaller streams and rivers to their natural state.

Several years ago I saw a report on a proposal to submerge turbines in the Mississippi for generation. The problems where several; The resistance of the turbine tended to act as a damn and funnel the current (now stronger) into the open area needed for shipping, it also had to deal with the forty and fifty foot elevation changes of the river during floods. I have seen nothing on this in several years.

The best chance may be the work of Ocean Power Technology (OPTT) they are manufacturing large buoys that are anchored in the open ocean to generate electricity form waves. It works but is not yet cheap.

Thanks for the respnse. Interesting stuff. In distant future I'm sure butseems there could be development along these lines and collecting power from huge network of smaller sources might even be less negative impact to the environment

Now if some one can theorize on getting power generated kind of incidently from sourrce a(without detracting from point a's normal power output fuction to point b storage for this incidental power(so to speak), then that would be cool. Of course collection of such power might be so minimal not worth the time and effort. Really trying to avoid the perpetual motion trap here as we are just likely talking auxillary power and certainly no perpetual motion thing. I have discovered perpetual motion is anathema to mention on this site,LOL. Just seems there should be a way. Not one bit of scientific data to back up this feeling just a gut feeling something can be developed here. Just looking for a genuine professional who may see some possibilities here. Not a genuine professional who see's absolutely no poosibilities, these need not reply as I already know your thinking.

Volvo is Swedish company, not Finnish. There are no car companies in Finland unless you count something like Patria in those. There is a factory that makes cars for various companies like Porsche and Fisker. I don't know how that works financially, probably badly.

Oh yes Timo, I have been a Volvo fan for years. Lot of German parts in them. Now owned by a Chinese group, really hope the simplicity and quality stays up. We know from Apple that quality products can be made by Chinese. Have a guess that a lot of inferior quality coming out of China is the fault of the "outsouresrs" rather than the Chinese people and powers that be. The Chinese are very, very intelligent people as a whole is also my guess.

Think I heard some political candidate mentioning a car company in Finland so that shows how much stock we can put in this. Why don't you syrt one,LOL. Know this would be one solid car, seriously. All confidence in you and that character, BrianH.LOL.

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