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Is 4.4 seconds vs 5.6 seconds alone worth $10k?

I posed this same question over on TMC - sorry for the repeat but trying to reach the widest audience. I am considering upgrading to the performance. However, I wouldn't get either the carbon fiber interior or the performance rims - just not my color tastes. I don't really care about the exterior accents. Plus it would force me to go to the black interior from white - I can't have white alcantara with two kids, they will destroy that in a week. SO that leaves the question - is going from a 60 time of 5.6 to 4.4 really worth $10k? Is 5.6 "fast enough?"

Another way to decide this question, is to ask what the performance option also costs its users. In my case, I like to use a Hollywood strap-on bicycle rack on the back of my car. However, these racks rarely work well with a rear spoiler, evident in the Design Studio. If the 4.4 sec version requires the spoiler, then it is 5.6 sec for me.

George Blankenship stated just a few days ago that the rear spoiler will be optional on performance versions.

Performance yes, but big NO to a spoiler. It is just plain ugly. Has no justification on a Model S IMO. I am very happy that Tesla will make it optional

I'm probably going to skip the spoiler as well. But it is another of the items I'd like to see in person.

I'd like to understand what difference the spoiler makes on range and performance before I decide.

Hey folks,
Not sure if this matters to anyone else, but I find it interesting to ponder this question.
At 4.4s, and BMW 7 series type space...
Given the speed, space and eMPG, someone could spend whatever money they wanted under $500,000, and they could only beat this car in one category. The Model S wins the other two. That's a game changer. Can anyone else think of a car that breaks this claim?

I'm still caught on the performance decision myself though. While it seems rare in vehicles in its class to drop 1.2s per 0-60 without spending $20-30k, it does happen. The M3, for instance, is one of those few. As it has been plaguing me for months, I decided go test drive a bunch in an effort to better understand the difference for myself again, and how I feel about it against the money.

This is a fantastic discussion. I'll try to post again after I'm done with the test drives.

GregF | April 2, 2012 new
Given the speed, space and eMPG, someone could spend whatever money they wanted under $500,000, and they could only beat this car in one category. The Model S wins the other two. That's a game changer. Can anyone else think of a car that breaks this claim?

What a great summary!
Budget $0.5 million. Speed, space, mileage: pick one. Model S at $0.1 million beats you on the other two.

But I'm not so sure mileage should be in there, unless you're talking mini-EVs ...

OK, so I'm waffling on the pano roof now. Wondering if it would be better to get the tech package and fogo the pamo roof. Any opinions? I'd like to point out that I'm in St. Louis where hits 100 easy in the summer time for days sometimes weeks on end.

Always enjoy the groups insights.

With my current sunroof it is nice to leave it open a crack to vent air.

However for St Louis in summer you run the risk of T-storms so maybe cracking windows/roof isn't that good of an idea.

On the other hand, could just remotely close the roof if/when a T-storm happens and you notice it.

Overall I'd say roof > tech pkg. Depends on any "killer app" that might be included with tech pkg.

Maybe not an issue for you, Liz, but the pano roof has more headroom (with the sunshade open). Even if you are fine with less headroom, passengers may be hitting their heads.

I know this continues to be off topic, but has anyone actually seen in person or photograph what the sunshades actually look like?

Sunshades are not in final form yet.

Liz, we get heat here in Sydney, Australia. A sunroof is great after sitting in the sun, you open it wide, let the aircon run, and the much of the heat escapes within about 5 mins. Makes cooling the vehicle a lot more efficient. I would NOT leave it open, even a crack, with vehicle unattended. Possibility of rain or even break-ins! If we can actually open the roof remotely with the iPhone app, then all this could be done as you approach your vehicle after say shopping or work.

Liz G. Yesterday my wife and I visited the Newport Beach, CA TM dealer. We decided to forego the metallic paint (save $750) and go for the pano sun roof. We may also get the tech. package but will make that decision when we test drive and can really sit down with our sales associate and find out all the particulars.

I hope we can control all the windows as well as the sunroof from our mobile phones.

I'm one of the big nay-sayers on pano rooves on these boards. I've had three on cars (Audi and BMW); two have developed problems, one serious. Glass is noisier than padded headliners, and one of the reasons I'm getting the Model S is for the quiet. Unless the rear-seat headroom is significantly improved with the pano, I'll invest that money elsewhere.

The tech package is a must-have for me. I like nearly ever feature on it, and I think it will be far more important on resale (should that occur) than the Performance

So what specifically do you think is available with the tech package which would have you choose that over 1.2 sec? (Liz G)

Generally speaking, I think that I will see benefit from having the Tech Pkg every time I drive the car, while having an additional 1.2 sec will only show about twice a year (more often when the car is new), and possibly in some car guy discussions (when it doesn't really make a difference whether or not I actually have the performance option, as long as it's available).

Specifically, I definitely want: Xenon headlamps, Electrochromatic side mirrors, Convenience lighting, Automatic keyless entry

I'm glad to get "for free" (since it's a package, otherwise I would still consider these depending on their additional cost): LED foglights, Power rear liftgate, Turn-by-turn navigation with seven years of free map updates

I don't care at all about: High definition back-up camera (since a low-res version comes standard), Homelink (not entirely sure what it actually means; if you need this to be able to remote control the car, it's in the "definitely want" category).


I should add that there is one issue with the performance package which repels me, besides upfront cost: IMO the performance package only makes sense with the performance tires. If you don't get the performance tires, you won't be able show off those 1.2 secs and the ultimate handling of your car. But I decidedly do not want those performance tires for their substantially higher maintenance cost and for their lower safety in bad wheather conditions. Thus, the performance package doesn't make sense to me, even if I would otherwise consider it. Perfomance like that is great on a secondary car which you only take for a ride on beautiful sundays, but the Model S will be "the only car you ever need" (Elon Musk) for me.

Of course, that's just me, and my assumptions regarding the handling of the car w/ performance option and all-season tires, as well as the assumptions regarding performance tires vs. all-season tires in bad weather, are just that -- assumptions. Only actual tests will tell, but at least these assumptions align with experiences with different kinds of tires on existing cars.

HomeLink is a kind industrie standard for automatic door remote control. I thought I didn't care (I also want the tech package for the same reasons you mentioned Volker).
I checked what it was out of curiosity, and discover it was compatible with the rolling door of my parking garage. So that moved Homelink from the "I don't care" category to the "I'm glad I get it for "free"" category. No more remote on my key ring.

One thing I was wondering about is related to the improvements to the cabling needed for the increase in the output to the drive inverters. Would this have any other benefits related to efficiency under normal usage and/or future proofing?

The more robust systems in the Performance should have slightly lower losses. Looking way down the road, the extra beefiness of the Performance may give some extra optionality on batteries.

HomeLink is a kind industrie standard for automatic door remote control. (ManuVince)

Great, thank you for the education. I just checked and it turns out that my designated garage for the Model S also supports HomeLink, so that's another "definitely want". :-)

Careful though: HomeLink works on different frequencies, and the vehicle has to support the same frequency as the garage. My garage works on 868.3 MHz, so I hope, Tesla will support that. In any case, I sent email to my Tesla rep to let them know early on. Maybe you should do the same.

BTW, you need the Performance version to keep up with the i8. Just sayin'. ;-)

Awww ... they dropped the glass doors!
The 4.9 they promise would be using the Fisker solution: cranking both electric and ICE systems at once. Elegant! Or not ...

And that's a two-seater, surely? There can't possibly be seats in the back of that! So it's a BMW Roadster, not an S.

It's officially a four-seater. I saw the concept in Geneva (from far away, it was carefully protected from too close inspection by the average passer-by) and it looks TIGHT. The back seats may even be worse than those of the Fisker Karma. But that's not the point.

Obviously the i8 is no competition for the Model S in any category -- except acceleration. So I assume, you want to beat it in that, too. To do so, you need the Model S Performance, but with that you are even faster than this ingenious BMW.

Been debating this myself for a while now. Having read through this thread a couple times in the last few weeks I think I have cinvinced myself I'll be sorry if I dont go for it.

I've already put in for the Sig because I just can't wait any longer (plus the red exterior and white leather are hot!). I want the tech pkg for all the gee whiz toys, and the pano-roof for the looks.

Why am I denying myself the "Tesla Grin"? 4.4s is going to rock.

Any S will produce the "grin". 4.4 causes giggles!

See how well the Performance S stands up to these super cars for the money:

IMO, I think the Performance S offers the most car for the money than any other config.

Model S is a "family car" so really comparable are only those mercs. I believe Model S would beat them to 75mph, but start to lose after that (gears in ICE, and RPM of diminishing returns in Model S).

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