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After "X" reveal, might your "S" switch to "X"??

I heard Elon say the model S bridges the gap between a sedan and a minivan and the model x brides the gap between a minivan and an suv. Pretty good market segments to go after.

Question is might you switch your reservation to an X? Or buy both? The only thing I like better on the X is the available 4 wheel drive (for the snow)

Problem is I do not know if I want to wait another year. How about you?

Certainly not the SUV lover.

I am definitely interested in the x. Living in area with many beautiful dirt roads that vary significantly over the year from ice and snow to mud and frozen ruts I was mostly a subaru driver and switched to the highlander hybrid when it came out in 2006 for the 3rd row and slightly better mpg. When My highlander turned 100k a couple months ago I went to the dealer and tried the 2011 highlander. I never loved the roll and pitch of the 2006 highlander. The 2011 is even worse. A car with clearance, awd, minivan capacity, low center gravity and all electric; what else could I ask for. Will I get both? I am waiting to get more details on the model s air suspension and see and drive one in person before I make that decision.

No. I prefer driving a sedan.

lgagliardi, it's not as weird as it may sound to you. I am aware that most people in the western world need a private car to get around in their daily lives. I feel privileged that I don't. School is in walking distance, to get to the office takes 30 minutes by bike or the same time by public transportation (runs every five minutes during the day), would take like 40 minutes or more by car in the rush hour. We usually run all errands by foot, with a few exceptions (hardware store). Yet our flat is in a nice quiet street, and we can take a walk in the park from our doorstep. Germany is small enough that we can reach every destination with high speed trains within 8 hours max.

Then why do I want a car now? Well, I don't want just any car, I want a Tesla! ;-) Pure luxury, I guess. It sometimes *is* more convenient than public transportation, particularly with a large family. I love visiting friends or making excursions with the family, and with a car we will be able to fit more of these trips into our busy lives, will be able to stay longer at a friend's home than we could if we had to catch the train, and will discover new destinations which are inconvenient to reach by public transportation, but too close or not spectacular enough to justify the expense of a rental car.

Yeah, that's about it. You see it mostly boils down to "I want one". I love the latest gadgets, and I'm really excited to see first hand how well a Tesla works in real life, because I think it's ground breaking technology. One aspect of it is that I want to give the German auto industry a wake-up call. Of course they don't care the least bit which car I drive, personally, but the total of Teslas on German roads should give them some food for thought. I think the German premium brands are really fantastic cars (I've driven all of them as rentals, sometimes for a week or two in a row). But they are seriously lacking in the alt fuel department.

Thanks for giving me the opportunity for this little rant... ;-)

definitely waiting for the Model X.... considering the cost of the vechicle/batteries will be significantly less by the time it is released. (t7n7)

Are you sure you are not mixing this up with Bluestar (announced at $30k base price)? That one is still a few years out. I'm afraid if you expect the Model X to be any more affordable than the Model S, you'll be disappointed. I have no doubt it will target the exact same price range as the Model S.

If not higher if 4-wheel drive is selected.

At least with 4WD and 4 wheel regen, we can expect the tires to wear more evenly front to back.

"Is there anyone who won't have an ICE in addition their S or X? I too have an old mini-van that we will keep for longer family trips and a Chevy avalanche for towing my fishing boat, etc..."

If I get a S we won't have any ICEs. We need two cars, and the other one will the the 2012 Leaf that we bought a few months ago. The S will be the car for longer family trips, while the Leaf is better for local errands (because of the size).

When I need to tow I'll swap the S for my parents VW Passat 4Motion.

Most shopping here (anywhere?) is a PITA without a car. Even though my grocery supermarket of choice is a single 5 min. bus ride away, there's a definite limit to how much can be hauled (even with a cart) onto a bus. And our service is 15 min in weekdays & Sat till 7, then ½ hr till 10, then hourly till 1. Sundays/holidays drops the 15 min. service back to ½ hr. So there are lots of "holes", and lots of long waits if you "just miss". Biking is possible in decent weather, but the load limits don't change much -- and Vanc. hills are the real thing. So that's the "neighbourhood vehicle" justifier.

Here in Boston, we were car-free (for about 3 years) until we had children. While I'm willing to wait on cold, windy corners waiting for a bus, I wasn't willing to subject my infants to the same conditions. Plus, timing became less flexible.

Robert, I agree but it has its positive aspects, too: Our children are really great at walking, at useful speeds and for useful lengths, without complaining. Such capabilities help a lot with timing flexibility. :-)

Actually, my oldest (12) strongly objects to us buying a car. I'm still thinking how I can win her over, but as the first thing I had to promise I'd never drive her to school. Yeah, that's true! That must sound almost surreal to an average American...

Reminds me of a scene from the movie "Uncle Buck". :)

Uncle Buck is my favorite movie.

I'm on the fence about it. I love sitting higher up in my Lexus RX, but I miss the handling of my former BMW. It really depends on styling, pricing, and fuel economy. If I end up loosing a lot of miles due to increased weight, that my sway me against it. If however, the difference is not huge, I may go for it. What really helps, is understanding what a crossover vehicle offers to begin with and in dissecting some of the statements that have been made and published about the Model X.

You can read more about it here:

Tesla Model X Countdown
What to Expect

Max, I don't think you're going to need to worry about the handling of the Model X. With that heavy battery pack, it's going to be the best handling CUV on the market!

The unknown really will be the real-world range that it'll be capable of.

Mycroft, sounds right. Even though it will be taller than the Model S, the center of gravity will still be low due to all of that battery weight at the bottom. Excellent point.

stephen.kamichi... this is off topic, but have you seen Rat Race? Pretty darn funny!

No, not yet.


I too am looking to get the latest gadget. I want to drive it everyday and see it really work. That will be an amazing feat of technology.Sounds like you have a nice set up with everything close by.

I will be shocked if the top range on the Mod X isn't at least 300 miles. That could mean an even heavier battery pack or improved cell technology, or a combination of both.

As a family vehicle with loads of cargo capacity, it's perfect for that weekend getaway with all your gear and 5 bikes. Unless, of course, it's range impaired.

Sign me up for the 125kW battery pack.

Volker.Berlin | January 15, 2012 new

Actually, my oldest (12) strongly objects to us buying a car. I'm still thinking how I can win her over, but as the first thing I had to promise I'd never drive her to school.

IIRC, that's really major socializing time. And info gathering, etc. A fast drop-off means you arrive at the battle unarmed ...

Aside from which, schools are aggressively filling kids' heads with really egregious anti-tech and anti-industrial memes and "principles", with heavy moral self-righteous overtones. Don't tell me you haven't had a few lectures on your Evil Western Ways!

If I end up loosing a lot of miles due to increased weight, that my sway me against it. (Max)

There's not only weight. Increased aerodynamic drag may have even more impact on the Model X' range, at least at highway speeds. We can assume that the Model X will have a similarly superior Cd value as the Model S (at .22 or .225), but A(rea) will be larger. It does not make much difference in city driving, but then again, if you only do city driving, range should not be an issue in the first place.

And aerodynamics are not much of an issue off-road. So what % of the time will be Xpent on the highway, at, say, 80kph+?

If the X is used as SUV usage is common near me, most of the miles would be highway miles. Most of my neighbors buy SUVs for the weight (implied safety), the look (above and protected from others) and/or the ability to see the road ahead where there are so many other SUVs.

Some SUV drivers seem to think they have the right-of-way. I think this is due to either (1) they bought the SUV because they know they have royal blood or (2) the SUV they drive is so big that others are intimidated and, after a while, they realize they might as well go first. It's a whole culture unto itself, and it makes it difficult for purchasers to drive anything else.

Note: I'm not talking about people who actually drive on surfaces other than asphalt or concrete. I've seen some pretty respectable off-roaders. Around here, though, I don't think anyone takes their Lexus SUV anywhere it might get dirty.

Volker, I'd love to have your dilemma. Leider, die VS sind so auto-centric.

"Leider" is hardly reasonable. Germans have no inkling of the distances involved in N.A. In the 60s a friend's parents visited him in Toronto from Germany. They drove to Niagara Falls, which is a minor day-trip for Canadians. The whole of the 401 highway surroundings from Toronto through that "Southern Ontario" strip is quite built up by our standards, even then. But on the fairly crowded stretch from Hamilton to St. Catherines (some open land, vineyards, etc.), they were overwhelmed and gobstruck by the vast distances between towns, etc.!

I told him he should have put them on the observation car on a train to Thunder Bay and back (near Sault Ste Marie at the western end of Lake Superior). About a day each way, much of it through wild terrain and pine forest. Its suburb, Longlac, just over 100 mi. NE as the crow flies, is as close as you can get by passenger rail these days, of course.

Or even Wawa, at the eastern end.

They'd never have been the same!

Actually, most of that is the QEW highway, now that I think about it. Same point. And that trip to Thunder Bay probably takes about 36-48 hrs each way (on the train, non-stop). And that's barely scraping the southern fringes of Northern Ontario.

It's literally overwhelming.

Just checked. ~1400 km by road, somewhat more by rail. With stops, probably a full day (24 hrs) each way.

Brian H, all right and true. Yet that's hardly an explanation or excuse why North Americans are as "auto-centric" as they are. For long distances like that, high-speed trains for example make a lot more sense, but you simply don't have the rail infrastructure, while you do have the road infrastructure. That's a historical and cultural issue, but not an inevitable consequence of the landscape.

Same for the cities. Yes the average American city is bigger than the average German city, but actually the bigger a city, the more advantage has public transportation over cars. However, I understand that you avoid your public transportation whenever you can, because it lacks in many regards. North Americans have no inkling of how comfortable and convenient public transportation (local or distance) can be, if done right.

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