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Any word on the Nav features?

Now that there are some Model S' out there, does anyone know whats being done on the navigation front? I'm still puzzled by Tesla's "offline navigation" with the Tech package versus what comes standard. Actually, do you get anything without the Tech package? I'd hate to think that I'd need to bring my Garmin into my new baby!

I can't imagine this has to do with licensing with Google. You could always (back to the very first versions) point to a location in Google Maps by entering lat/lon coordinates. It simply requires integration with a GPS, which the car obviously has. If the app doesn't show your location on the basic Google Maps app now, it certainly is something I would expect to be fixed in an update.

mklcolvin seems to summarize what many are saying on this thread with the statement, “If the part about not showing the location of the vehicle is true, then how can they call this navigation?”

Let me clarify what I did in the Model S and the purpose of my post about the current state of Google maps integration. My research was done in response to the Punch List thread item #14, Google maps navigation for those not getting tech package. I selected the Web icon at the top of the touch screen, which takes you to a web browser. I searched for Google maps, navigated to that web page and discovered that Google maps treated the Model S like a fixed position desktop computer. I expect I would find the same thing if I looked at MapQuest or any of the other mapping sites available on the Internet.

To my knowledge, Tesla has never claimed that navigation via Google maps would be provided in the Model S. It might be a valid position to complain that Tesla is not providing a navigation system without purchasing the tech package. However, until Tesla states that it is providing navigation via Internet accessed Google maps, it doesn’t seem relevant to complain that the car’s position is not displayed on Google maps.

I selected the Web icon at the top of the touch screen, which takes you to a web browser. I searched for Google maps, navigated to that web page [...] (Rod and Barbara)

Thank you very much for the clarification! So we have been talking about slightly different things without noticing. I am not surprised that the maps.google.com website behaves as you described.

However, most of us (myself including) were referring to a native application, not a website. It is my (our) understanding, that this has been promised to provide a sat nav stand-in for cars without the Tech Pkg. That would be a separate icon, presumably on the same level as your navigation icon and your web browser icon. Obviously, you don't have that because if you had you'd probably come across that by now.

To me that seems to indicate either of the following, or both:

- The Google maps app is not yet ready for prime time. It will probably/hopefully be ready when the P series models are delivered.

- The Google maps app is considered redundant on cars with the Tech Pkg/built-in offline nav. It will be part of the non-Tech Pkg models only.

I am pretty sure that the punch list item is meant to refer to the app, not the website.

I remember viewing/reading an interview with a Tesla representative toward the end (November?) of 2011 where he stated the Model S would come with a web-based navigation system or you could purchase an optional DVD-based turn-by-turn navigation system. Of course, end of 2011 was a long time ago. Anything stated that long ago may have expired by now.

I'm not saying they are using Android to drive the car. Obviously, that would be stupid. However I can well imagine they use a sandboxed version of some customized Android version to run the 17" screen. Disclaimer: That's all speculation.

A Tesla rep said that there are at least two different computers in the Model S, one is controlling the touch screen and the other is controlling the dashboard. There's an Ethernet connection between the two allowing them to communicate. From a safety and security point it would make sense if the computer controlling the dashboard were also responsible for controlling the important functions of the car, while the computer controlling the touchscreen was available for other things such as web browsing and running customized applications.

Tesla told me this about nav without tech package:

"If you were to opt for the technology package, turn by turn navigation with 7 years of free updates would be included as part of the functions on the touchscreen. The alternative would be to select the connectivity package, which would allow you 3G connectivity to access Google maps via the internet. The downside would be another data plan, and also no turn by turn voice prompts. I do believe that all Model S will have Wi-Fi connectivity, so you could tether the car anywhere a Wi-Fi signal is available to access the internet."

You can get turn-by-turn navigation in a web browser using the GPS support of HTML 5. There seems to be a few services available that uses this but I don't know how good it works.

I believe you are talking Google Earth not Maps. Maps is only available via cloud where as Earth is the application that streams data etc. I recall that during an earnings call it was announced that Google Earth would be included on all Tesla Vehicles.

This whole topic reminds me of the lighted mirrors topic where everything got blown way out of proportion before getting the facts. I posted my humorous post because I strongly believe that R&B do not have google maps because they already have Navigon installed. Why would they double up mapping software. It would confuse the customer. We P holders have plenty of time to wait this one out.

Thanks to all for the discussion. I have my car -- P2636-- pretty much configured in my mind except for the tech package. Seems like the perfect topic to have discussed on the next "Inside Tesla" update by GB.

I believe you are talking Google Earth not Maps. Maps is only available via cloud where as Earth is the application that streams data etc. (SMOP)

As far as I'm concerned, the icon title on my mobile phone reads "Maps", and that's what I'm talking about.

Just noticed on Bill, Steve and Jessie's blog (http://teslamodelsxc.wordpress.com/) that the navigation is Navigon, and it displays in the in dash display to the left of the speed gauge. This is very cool!

I'm screwed.... So screwed. I am a total tech Neandrathal, and this thread scares hell out of me. Do I need a PhD in electrical engineering to work this thing? Or are all you guys technophiles that love playing around with the stuff?... Glad you are though, so I can at least start to learn something about the car.
Im going from a Prius (which i adore) to a Signagure Performance next week and i'm worried I'll be totally dumbfounded... And frustrated. All I want to do is play music from my iPhone using Bluetooth or whatever and get turn by turn verbal navigation and google maps with traffic. It sounds like my hope that traffic and navigation would be integrated into one program is not happening but I can split screen and get both run ing at the same time?
And if I want to load songs into the system I have to transfer them using one if those little memory stick things? Seriously? How come I just can't synch it like I do with my computer? That seems lame.
I'm worried, please tell me I'll survive :)

@Tomas, you can have both - music and navigation (Note: For navigation, you will need the Tech package; which is standard with Signature series). If you see the image for Tech package here, you can see that the upper half has navigation and the lower half has music playing.

To play songs, you can either download them to the car's hard drive and play from there or stream them from your iPhone using bluetooth. You can, I suspect, also connect your iphone to your car using one of the USB slots and play it from there. You have multiple options. :)

By the way, when your Model S is delivered, ask the Tesla specialists that will be present during the delivery. Make note of ALL the questions you have and ask them how to go about it. The best way to learn, in my opinion, is by doing it. So, when you ask the specialists, make sure you are the one playing with the center console. Let them guide you and you do the touching, swiping, pinching, etc.

~ Prash.

@Prash, I think it was mentioned in another thread that you can NOT stream music from your iPhone over USB. Something about the licensing. Bluetooth should work fine, however.

The only way to stream an iPhone via USB is with iTunes installed. It isn't yet, but it could be down the road.

The Leaf streams over USB from iPhone just fine.

The USB port is, I thought, similar to the auxiliary port on other cars. Or, for that matter, similar to all the external ipod speakers similar to this.

I am not sure why there are any license or incompatibility issues.

~ Prash.

I cannot stream my iPhone via USB to my Ford Sync system. With speaker systems, you are not really streaming; you are simply outputting an audio signal. Streaming entails opening the file in a player that can start, pause, skip, and otherwise manage the track. In my Ford, I can do this via Bluetooth but not via USB.

@DouglasR, that explains.

So 'streaming' from the iphone may not be possible via the USB. But, you can still 'play' your iphone songs via USB?

Essentially, this sets up an iphone audio-out/Model S audio-in pair. So, in order to control the songs, you need to use your iphone and not the Model S's touchscreen.

~ Prash.

Well, I don't have the Model S yet, but I believe that you would control the play using the controls on the car (touchscreen or steering wheel) when connected over Bluetooth. At least that's the way it works on my Ford. And as others have said, they might eventually have a version of iTunes for the touchscreen, which would let you do this over USB as well.

The Leaf has full iPhone integration over USB. I can browse albums, artists, genres etc., play/pause/skip and so on. I can however not use the iPhone for controlling the music. if I try to do that it just displays "equipment connected" or something like that. I have to use the touchscreen in the Leaf.

So full integration over USB is definately possible, but likely a licensing issue.

Over Bluetooth I can however use the iPhone for controlling the playback, it's only while using USB it is locked out.

I suspect it's a software/licensing issue. Many cars now offer this but you have to buy a manufacturer specific proprietary iPod/iPhone cable. Standard USB iPhone cables will only work for charging on Apple devices, but standard cables will work for playing files on USB/Android devices. I suspect this is how they charge people that want the iPhone capability with album art, etc. for the licensing without having to pay a fee to Apple for every car they sell.

Bluetooth profiles define capabilities for playback and fall back to the lowest common denominator between paired devices.

Most bluetooth devices now support the Advanced Audio Distribution Profile (A2DP) though early iPhones didn't. This profile supports basic two-channel audio transfer.

To control the playback the devices need to support Audio/Video Remote Control Profile (AVRCP). From Wikipedia:
AVRCP has several versions with significantly increasing functionality:
1.0—Basic remote control commands (play/pause/stop, etc.)
1.3—all of 1.0 plus metadata and media-player state support
The status of the music source (playing, stopped, etc.)
Metadata information on the track itself (artist, track name, etc.).
1.4—all of 1.0, 1.3, plus media browsing capabilities for multiple media players
Browsing and manipulation of multiple players
Browsing of media metadata per media player, including a "Now Playing" list
Basic search capabilities


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