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BIG DESIGNPROBLEM ON MODEL S

The door handle on Model S arent going to work in winter time. You have to push it in. What are Tesla going to do? Make a own Tessla for people living noth of the 50. latitude? xD

@ncn: I know you must be dealing with winters like this often but I just wonder, if you have to go through so much trouble to open your car, does it still make sense to drive in those conditions?

I might have the opposite problem here in Phoenix. Anything that is clear metal and sits out in the sun get VERY hot and will be almost impossible to touch without some protection. There are restaurants that have towels wrapped around their door handles to make sure guests don't burn their hands. I guess my same question should be true for here. If you have to take measures like that, is it still worth going out? :)

Anyway, I will be a big fan of painted door handles as they will be much easier to touch in the summer. And no, it doesn't help that the inside of the handles were out of the sun when they were retracted. It will be near impossible to open the doors without accidentally touching the bare metal on the outside. Not a deal breaker for sure but something to think about. The painted door handles will probably not freeze as easily either I am guessing.

@ncn,
" If the car is left *not plugged in* under these conditions, *how do we get the charge port open*?"

Finally, a great question - that doesn't have anything to do with the door handles!
Hopefully, the car will not allow itself to completely discharge the battery, without a (manual) way to open the charge port.

Is that right Tesla Motors??

The extremes of hot and cold are a reality for all cars.

All conventional door handles can fail when frozen or be hot to the touch in Summer.

Tesla's door handles shade themselves until needed in Summer, and warm themselves in Winter.

In my view, this exceeds anything Mercedes, BMW, or even Bentley has ever done with their high-end vehicles to address those situations.

This car costs less than those others, and yet in even in this detail, it does more. Should we complain, or thank them?

Think through the possibilities. Telsa, unlike any competitor, can wirelessly deliver a smartphone app to preemptively deploy the handles if the temperature begins dropping. That can give you more purchase to break the ice than any competitor. If you like, they can let you just leave the door handles popped-out when parked if the weather is cold enough. That's the power of field-upgradeable firmware and servo handles.

Their architecture provides recourse that no one else can match. Is this bad?

In my view, this thread is about picking a nit to provoke anxiety. In the clear light of day, any honest review of what Tesla is doing here ends up increasing our confidence.

These folks are working harder, and building it smarter than anything else you can buy.

I gave them my money only when I was convinced of that.

The extremes of hot and cold are a reality for all cars.

All conventional door handles can fail when frozen or be hot to the touch in Summer.

Tesla's door handles shade themselves until needed in Summer, and warm themselves in Winter.

In my view, this exceeds anything Mercedes, BMW, or even Bentley has ever done with their high-end vehicles to address those situations.

This car costs less than those others, and yet in even in this detail, it does more. Should we complain, or thank them?

Think through the possibilities. Telsa, unlike any competitor, can wirelessly deliver a smartphone app to preemptively deploy the handles if the temperature begins dropping. That can give you more purchase to break the ice than any competitor. If you like, they can let you just leave the door handles popped-out when parked if the weather is cold enough. That's the power of field-upgradeable firmware and servo handles.

Their architecture provides recourse that no one else can match. Is this bad?

In my view, this thread is about picking a nit to provoke anxiety. In the clear light of day, any honest review of what Tesla is doing here ends up increasing our confidence.

These folks are working harder, and building it smarter than anything else you can buy.

I gave them my money only when I was convinced of that.

@Mark K

I think you're reading too much into the title of the thread. While the title sounds critical and panicky, the discussion has a reasonable and arguably positive tone.

That could be, and maybe some good will come of this thread.

For me though, the all-caps headline proclaiming a "Big Problem" seemed to telegraph the intent.

While most comments were pretty level-headed, calling Tesla designers "idiots" did not seem particularly positive or even fair. That's what moved me to chime in.

Another fascinating phenomenon that might drive some of this -

Whenever an innovator makes a big leap, there is sometimes a perverse effect - a tendency to hold them to a higher standard on everything else. Perhaps that is part of what we see here.

The constructive role of these forums is to let the important stuff rise to the top so that it gets the attention it deserves. Exaggerating nits shouldn't distract from the truly productive exchanges.

Hopefully, encouraging folks to speak up with rational counterpoints help keep the focus on what makes a better car.

I'm now upset that there aren't any all-season tires for the 21" wheels. I demand that Tesla force the tire companies to produce all-season tires before the car comes out. If they don't, well I just won't buy a car. So there!

:)

Now your talk'n!

Maybe we should also shame Tesla into coercing Uncle Sam to ban all ICE vehicles as a condition of our purchases.

After all, this would solve both gas and traffic problems all at once!

Amen.

I agree about the tires- I live in Chicago and I need them

I agree about the ICE vehicles and traffic problems. I live in Berlin and use my bike to get to the office every morning. ICE traffic sucks big time.

Oooh, we digress...

There is a simple winter tires solution. Buy the 21" wheels with performance tires and a set of 19" aftermarket rims of your choice with full winter spec tires. Why not? You won't want to pry the tires off the rims seasonally and the 21s are ill-suited to pot holes .

Yeah Thumper, that's what we're going to have to do. Normally, here in the Northwet, I would just slap all-seasons on and not worry about the few days we get a freeze or snow since I know how to drive in it. But since that's not going to be an option for the 21" wheels, it'll be full rotation time.

At least it's a short season, so I'll only need to run the snow tires from the beginning of December through the end of February.

I'm sure a tire manufacturer will make 21" all season tires if someone are willing to pay what it would cost. Personally I think it's not a product I would want. Need more rubber and air around the rims in the winter here to protect them from potholes etc. I'll be getting a separate set of winter tires. All season tires are a compromise and are not really good at anything.

no Tesla should force manufacturer to make 21" wither tires
nothing less or I will cancel my ...
:-)

@Mycroft

I dont see your problem.
http://www.nordendekk.no/Vinterdekk_Piggfrie_vinterdekk_Nokian/products/...

Or you can have two set of tyres. One for summer, and one for winter.

I use Nokian Hakkapeliitta, and they feel very good on the road.
http://www.beckmeister.no/shop/index.aspx?intshopcmd=&group=451801&prod=...


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