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Canadian model S tour

The Canadian model S tour starts tomorrow in Ottawa. Next week it will be in Laval where I can finally see it "live". I think TM will receive more Canadian orders if they release the Canadian pricing. I hope that my fellow Canadians will post any news/information that they get from TM reps. on the Canadian tour.

@Volker.Berlin

I've seen that answer before too. If it's true, they've got a long way to go. The price of this vehicle, decently spec'd approaches that of a higher end BMW 5, if you don't take the tax grant into account (which is not available everywhere).

It wasn't just the fit and finish. Design was a little bland for my taste. Then again, I drive a 2003 Lexus IS. So maybe I'm not the target market!

In any event, if they don't up their game, they aren't getting past the first adopter market. There's a limited pool of folks who can plunk down $60-$80 000 for a car. And for these people, a car is as much a status symbol as it is a form of transportation. Moreover, they couldn't care less about gas prices (since the car payments are higher), so the all-electric factor is more about status than saving money (which is a nice side-benefit). As it stands, from what I saw of the interior, it was probably on par with my 2003 Lexus IS (except for the touchscreen). If they are going to convince more than geeks to drop $80k on a car, they better make it look like an $80k car. For us normals, I'd rather not be laughed at by friends and family when I tell them I dropped $70k on a car, if the interior looks like that of high end Toyota.

The tech package smacks of nickel and diming, when you consider the cost of the car. Should they really be charging for xenon headlamps, keyless entry and electrochromatic mirrors? On a car with a base of nearly 60k? And there's no options for the really new up and coming stuff like a windscreen HUD, lane departure warning, lane change assist, etc. These are features I would expect from a car company with its roots in silicon valley. And if you're really trying to beat gas vehicles, you can't do it by nickel and diming the customer. The EV experience has to be better across the board.

The Model S is still on my list to be sure. But I do wonder how far they'll get with the muggles with what's on offer now.

Went to Carrefour Laval today:

The car is Vin # 44

Model S Signature Series

Signature Red Paint Color

Black Signature Nappa Leather Interior

Lacewood Decor

The car is located close to Baton Rouge restaurant
They even have French speaking representative, and French documentation

You can seat in the car, play with the central console etc...

They seems to have a suspension problem so the car is in the higher position, but this is just a detail.

According to the representative, the price for Canada should be available end of July (and expected to be "fair" compare to US). The car is currently in process to be certified for Canada, and they expect to be completed by September in order to start delivery in Canada early october. (Which is still sooner that I was expeted)

They made clear that 85 Kwh pack will be delivered prior to lower ones.

Interior detail: the A , B and C pillard coverage will be as the roof (tan) whatever the interior color you choose.

I'll go there again later this week and may ask any other question for Canada if you have any.

@VB: Your analysis of the target market TM is going after, and the consequences if they miss it by a considerable margin, are "spot on". Or at least I think that's what our friends in the UK might say.

Make that: IS spot on.

I went to see the model S at Carrefour Laval. I was told the Canadian pricing should be out in 7-10 days (after I mention July). I was told that the Canadian price starts at about $60k and includes leather. I then asked if it would be $65k-$70k? he said no, $60k.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but my wife and I both love the interior and of course the exterior. My wife said that you have to see it "live", that it is not nearly as nice on the computer screen.

As the Terminator said, "I shall be back" (to see the model S).

@keithz, I support your last comment and disagree slightly with Volker's.

First of all, I don't know Tesla's ROI goals, but I do think that it would serve them to competitively price the Model S in accordance to the quality, performance and not necessarily rape early adopters (after all, it should be a win-win). The report that Volker referred me to seems to be targeted to investors and hence it seems logical to assume that Elon is trying to please investors rather than the Model S users by trying to maintain some profit level. I am not asking Tesla to produce this car free or at zero margin but the cost should be relative to the overall quality. I currently drive a Mercedes CLS 550 (E-Class interior quality). I and a lot of others would expect to have such quality in an $80k+ car. Bottomline: the overall quality (exterior, interior, performance) needs to be high.
While initial adopters like myself might still get the car no matter what, we also plan to show off the car and its qualities to friends, families, colleagues, acquaintances etc after all, that's what you do with an $80,000 car. We see it as an electronic car gadget.

All that being said, I do believe that Tesla will not disappoint us. This is evident in what I see in the Roadster.

@ Stephen and other Tesla fan boys from Montreal/GMA

I was at Carrefour Laval the 17th (last night) and talked with Ely (not sure of the spelling).

He mentioned the $60K which was a bit of a deception for me BUT if it includes leather then the gap becomes smaller with the $57,400 USD. again Tesla, Can$ is at par these days anyway.

Second thing I asked is if there was going to be a repair/maintenance facility in Montreal. And he said that they are looking for local and a September opening around the north of MTL or Laval area.

Suspension was high right but the rep said that it was at highest settings of the adjustable supension...

fun to see it live finally!

The TM rep. reiterated what Elon said, that the fit and materials on the production cars will be BMW 5 series equivalent. The prototype is 90% final.

the $60K is just a guesstimate as i heard the same thing but when pressed about knowing some info before the release of the canadian pricing and they admitted that it was just a rounded ballpark figure they are using until official numbers come out.

Hey Canada, wake up! no updates since March 3rd... Given the latest Canadian tour, I would hope that we have more reservations than 285 production.

There's something I don't understand about the Canadian process. From an earlier post it seems that VIN #44 is the car being shown around Canada. Now, in my contacts with Tesla they insist that they are going to make separate versions for the two markets. If VIN #44 can be driven on Canadian roads wouldn't that indicate that the car already meets the Canadian requirements?

Actually, from a production standpoint that seems the way it should be, since the requirements in the two countries are only trivially different. In addition, there are no mutually exclusive requirements, so it would seem very uneconomical to produce two versions when a single version could satisfy both sets of standards easily.

The only business reason I can see for creating incompatible versions would be to block importation of U.S. cars into Canada. Following that reasoning, the only benefit to Tesla from doing so would be to protect an exorbitant price structure in Canada (just like other U.S. manufacturers).

Now, there are costs (fees, duties, etc.) for doing business in Canada, but a private importation pays equivalent costs. I speak from experience, since our last two cars were imported from the States, at a net savings of almost $10K in one case.

If the Canadian pricing is equivalent to the final cost of a U.S. imported car then Tesla would be dealing fairly with us. But then, back to the earlier question, if there is no additional profit to them the why in the world would they go through the additional costs to produce two incompatible versions?

- If VIN #44 can be driven on Canadian roads wouldn't that indicate that the car already meets the Canadian requirements?

Not any more than if you took your current car on a vacation up there.

- since the requirements in the two countries are only trivially different

Unfortunately, trivial differences tend to cost--especially when government is involved.

- The only business reason I can see for creating incompatible versions would be to block importation of U.S. cars into Canada.

That is what the Canadian government wants. (Not that the U.S. government is any better about car imports)

- if there is no additional profit to them the why in the world would they go through the additional costs to produce two incompatible versions?

There is a difference between a private importation and a car manufacturer importation. If you followed the "maple leaf on products made in Canada" you'd see how even the placement of the maple leaf (on a tire, for example) becomes political. The politicians really believe that the consumers care about that.


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