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Just keeping to the theme of TM reps not knowing 100% what's going on...I was told that the pano roof reduced headroom.
I have also speculated previously that the interiors of the Betas aren't consistent as to fit and finish since the interiors were hand built at the last minute before the Oct event. I am 6'4" and didn't come close to touching my head in my Beta ride or later in factory built #22. My son, all 6'8" of him, also sat in the back of 22 and pronounced it comfortable with plenty of room. The roof does slope to the sides so there is less headroom near the doors than the middle. Plus, the pano support reduced the headroom on the perimeter of the roof. Given that 22 was built on the line, I am thinking that it will be fine.

@harryjsommer: I'm sure that that statement is correct on average, but the rear-seat headroom issue is caused by a very specific bulge in the headliner. I would like to know whether that bulge is larger with the pano roof, or whether it's caused by the hinge of the rear hatch.

FWIW, the rep at the Santana Row store was unsure that any non-pano Model S beta had even been built yet!

Cars with sunroofs typically have less headroom with the sun shade closed. The mechanism to open and close the roof takes up 1-2 inches. So you may get more headroom with the sunshade of the pano open but less with it closed. It's hard to say since they haven't built one yet with a sunshade let alone a non-pano.

I meet George Blankenship at the Model X event. He told me there should come some space to store your CD's. We laught about it and ask if there would also be space to store the 8tracks also.

He also told we could pick up our car at the plant or get them deleverd at house.

Very, very nice and smart person, by the way!

@The Froq, Awesome! I want to pick mine up at the plant and spend 2 days driving it, assuming it is full charged on delivery... :)

@BYT,

I wish I could do also, but I won't make it with the car to the Netherlands

Event was awesome, the staff we're helpfull. I saw the new designstudio for in the store.....very, very nice. They HAD to make it work, Elon said before the presentation of the Model X

About two weeks it will be in the store.

Thanks for all the updates!

He also told we could pick up our car at the plant or get them deleverd at house. - The Froq

Aarrgh, you've got me going again on how I could drive an 85kWh Model S from Fremont to Boston. Only 3,150 miles...

Also spent time talking with George Blankenship at the Model X event with @the Froq (nice meeting you BTW!) and as much as I really wanted to take delivery at the factory, he made the at home delivery sound awesome...With delivery at home, they would help set up the car to your specs including integrating with your home network. Of course that could be something done on your own, but it would be nice to have at home tech support right away.

Also, re: the center console, George mentioned that it would be customizable...

DeDe

And the cupholders stayed as they are. Didn't the DeDe?

@the Froq...Ah, yes! You know what we think about our cupholders!! :)

@Maestrokneer and @Volker.Berlin

The red beta that was in the Oakbrook store (IL) for their grand opening a few months back had more headroom. I am 6'0" as well, and I had about 1-2" clearance when sitting in the back. I think this has been discussed somewhere before, but it seems that there is quite a bit difference in headroom depending on which beta you are in, so like many other things, I think we have to wait to see what the final design is.

John & Froq, thanks for the update. I wonder what George meant by customizable. Does that mean that there are going to be various solutions for the console and we get to pick which one we want? That's awesome.

Bummer about the cup holders though. They suck on the Betas.

@kroneal...That's what I understood from George...it would, however, be something that's integrated after production...

DeDe

Great information everyone. Thanks for the updates.

@Kroneal: That's surprising. I can't imagine someone 8" taller than me fitting into the backseat without craning their neck unless they were slumped all the way down.

Two things to keep in mind though. I didn't notice any problem on the factory tour beta ride and was seated in the same position in a different car (and also wasn't consciously looking for headroom). At the beta event, since my wife complained about the back seat headroom, I sat with my back flat against the back seat (no slouching or slumping). Not exactly my normal riding position, but still concerning.

Anecdotally for comparison, though I'm only 6'-0" I have extremely short legs and long torso (30" in-seam pants are long on me). So it's probably a more appropriate comparison for someone who's 6'-4"ish.

I guess we'll figure it out when we all get to test drive the production version.

Maestro,
My guess is that the back seats in the betas were not consistently set in the same position. Some may have been more forward, some more toward the rear. With the slope of the roof, I think setting the seat a couple of inches a little further back could make a big difference. That is my only reasonable explanation for the inconsistent view points expressed in these forums by those that have sat in the back of the betas. My own experience, there is plenty of room in VIN 22 and I spent a lot of time in it to be sure. Since that one was a production line car and not a car with an interior that was hurriedly hand built before the October rides, I believe it to be more representative of the final interior dimensions. That's just my opinion. We'll see when the RCs come out if I'm right.

Yes, I have also spend some time in the beta's rear seats, and as a 6'1" man, my head touched the top (which is not good). I hope some basic adjustments can be made to at least accommodate someone my size (which is average) for both left and right rear seats. I also hope they can add extra padding to the front seats, as the beta seats all felt kind of hard.

@John_DeDe, I hope they have a, pardon the nasty word, "hybrid" of the pickup at the plant solution and home delivery. I want to be the one to drive my car home (being that I live in the Bay Area) but would also love the home delivery tech support aspect of that as well.

@BYT...I agree! I'm torn with which way to go...In San Jose, so it's an easy drive to factory, and I"m sure when we go to pick it up, my husband would be the one to drive it home, while I'm left following behind in the ICE car...I do, however, really like the idea of having someone show me all the nuances of owning an EV and how it works with my space...Trying not to think too much about it yet ;)

Couldn't you take a bus / cab (or combination) to the factory so you two could ride back together?

Yeah, pull over at every other gas station and trade places. :-D

@mwu and @Mycroft...Good suggestions!! :-)

Or have it delivered, then drive it to the factory and back just to triple your fun!

I would love to go pick mine up at the factory and drive it back to Baltimore but am doubting the availability of the cross country portion of the charging network.

And my husband thinks he's going to be the one driving the Model S too. I haven't figured out how to disabuse him of the notion yet.

Cheers,
Matt (& Larry)

"Frankly, it would make a nice option. Make it removable. If people would shell out 250 for that rear shelf cover, I think we'd all pay twice that for a console option."

If they make an optional, removable "center console", they can charge a large markup on it (like the parcel shelf!) and profit -- and it makes everyone happy, both those who want a purse space and those who want a console. I think this would be very much the wisest thing for them to do.

If not TM, then a third party will probably design and sell a removable console for the model S.

stephen;
Finally! Jobs for all those B.S. grads in basket-weaving ...

;P

Without a center console of some kind, the USB ports are useless imo and might as well be dropped. Im not going to have my phone sliding around on the floor tethered to a port under the screen. TM designers must be smart enought to realize this so I am expecting some solution besides just a spot for a purse.

Best solution: a well-integrated center console with appropriate storage. Next best solution: a modular center console that can be installed as an option. Fail: no center console at all. If the "fail" is what we get, I'll have a custom center console fabricated -- doesnt look like it'll be too difficult or too expensive.