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Cruise Control?

OK, I saw the updated specs at http://www.teslamotors.com/models/specs and lo and behold, the S now has cruise control. Great. I kinda figured that they would put it into the S (not too many cars in the $50,000+ price range don't come with it.)

But what KIND of cruise control? I have adaptive cruise control on my 2004 Toyota Sienna. I love it and use it all of the time. I am so impressed and happy with it, it is the one gadget on my car I really can't do without. I have always imagined that any car that is going to replace my Sienna (I am a signature place holder, so the S is/was scheduled to do just that) had better have it!

Has anyone got the scoop on the cruise control on the S? Am I gonna have to ask for my deposit back!?

thanks in advance,
Jordan

Tesla said the v1.0 cars won't have adaptive cruise.

TM has said, as reported in other posts, no adaptive cruise control.

Ouch. This could be a game-changer for me :-(

Jordan. No adaptive cruise control. "This could be a game changer."

You must be kidding. The "S" won't have everything, but neither does the Sienna. Instead of being a "half empty guy" consider all the great features you are getting.

OOOH, please cancel your Sig order. There are hundreds of people wanting to get in the Sig line, and none of them care that much if the cruise control is adaptive or not. Or take your Sig reservation and sell it at a profit.
Hmmm. I wonder if there's an aftermarket adaptive cruise control? Looks like some are out there, Delphi, TRW, etc.
2nd Hmmm. I wonder why Tesla decided against ACC when other luxo car makers offer it. Too much dollar for value?

OK the ignorance is showing here, but what is adaptive cruise control? Of course this is coming from someone who rarely uses cruise control.

I use CC all the time, though not adaptive. Even though if the vehicle I drive might have adaptive CC, I do want to take the control over at lower speeds. So, I might not miss much if the CC is not adaptive.

@Liz, there is a cool video link from the Wikipedia article - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDPuNlWXtlI and it demos (albeit without sound) how adaptive CC works.

~ Prash.

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I'm not about to trust the guy in front of me to regulate my speed. (then again, I've never used adaptive CC, so I don't really know what I'm talking about!). I'm happy with regular CC myself.

I'm not expecting every crazy feature a BMW 7 has on my Model S. What I am expecting is a lot of nothing: No tailpipe, no gasoline, no oil changes, no engine, no noise. Will I take the gizmos? Sure, as long as the important parts, like the drivetrain, are perfect first!

/Mitch.

IMHO...$5/gallon is a game changer, adaptive cruise is on an EV, with regen, will be less efficient due the different characteristics and habits of ICE drivers. They have acceleration lag on hills and brake heavy. I guarantee you'll get much less use out of it than you think.

Not to mention how much fun it will be to pass them and be in front as that's what 0.22Cd is for!

A mod (Chris?) at TMC has the sig, "It's not passing, it's teleportation". :D

Had adaptive on my previous Lexus - a nuisance.On the expressway if the idiot in front slows for no good reason so do you. OTOH, i use ordinary cruise control on my current Merc all the time. I hope that it will be as easy to set on the sig as it is on the Merc. The merc with it's stalk is just soooo easy. push up to accelerate/set, down to reduce speed, and pull towards you to reset. No need to actually turn the system on each time, as in my wife's Honda.
While people here are anti stalks, it really makes more sense than set buttons on the steering wheel, and certainly it should NOT be on the touch screen!! Indicators also need a stalk. Lights, OTOH don't need to be on a stalk and can be virtually anywhere, especially if they are set to come by sensor automatically. How about wipers? Not sure if they need to be on a stalk.

I would say that the wipers should be on the stalk. Auto-wipers are pretty good, but sometimes you still need to hit the stalk to make the wipers go RIGHT NOW!

For the beautiful Pacific NW it is a must to have RainX and forget wipers. That reminds me I need to re-apply a new coat!

And it's a bit distracting though to watch the rain go up the windscreen like the code lines on The Matrix.

At night it's hard to tell when it's raining without street lights or exterior illumination. But it's a safe bet it is in the beautiful Pacific NW.

I know it might sound lame, but this would freak me out.

I was referring to adaptive cruise control btw, sorry...

Re: "It's not passing, it's teleportation"

I think that feature is only available in the Performance version, but I'm not sure. Only extended test drives of both will tell.

For the sake of clarity, Tesla said adaptive cruise is planned for the Model S. It just won't be in v1.0. From what I understand, it's planned for the next revision sometime in 2013.

discoducky. IMHO...$5/gallon is a game change.

Don't look now, in So. CA cheap gas is $4.40, climbing daily. Soon we may lament the good old days when gas was only $5 a gallon. I paid $3.94 two weeks ago.

I hope Congress is paying attention, giving Big Oil all those tax breaks, etc. and record setting profits! What a racket, a disturbance in the Middle East today and they immediately raise the pump price. That oil is 6 months away from the gas station? IMHO, when demand slackens for gasoline, don't expect Big Oil to behave like a normal manufacturer. With their overheads, the price will go up. In So. CA we have a small oil company named Occidental. Every year the CEO ( first, Armand Hammer, then Ray Irani) have made obscene bonuses on top of huge a salary.

Sorry for the rant. I need my "S" - the sooner the better. Now, back to topic-cruise control.

Two days ago I saw it for $4.26 in Palm Springs. The previous week I filled up at $4.10. I wouldn't be surprised to see it at $4.40 by now.

@petero, I share your views on the current oil prices and echo the NEED for my Model S now!

Crybabies ;-)
The gas price in the Netherlands is currently $8.50 and climbing..

@erik: true, but it'll cost you much less to drive across your country! ;-)

An email conversation with Alex Frank, the manager at the San Jose store, has put me back on track - thanks Alex!

I guess there will always be SOMETHING missing for SOMEONE... as long as its not something REALLY important like an engine! waitasecond...

Seriously, I do love the ACC in my 8 year old minivan and even though there is not a day that goes by without me using it, I will not be asking TM for my deposit back until I have had a chance to drive the S.

On the other hand, even though the price of gas is rapidly approaching $5 in the US and will certainly go through the roof if there is any altercation in the Gulf, lets face it, none of us should be buying this car because we will be saving money (and if you are, you should probably sit down with a financial analyst for a few minutes), its about the performance baby! Sure there is the added kicker that you are doing your part to help the beleaguered environment and you don't have to go to the gas station (unless you have to pee), but if you are spending $50,000 - $100,000 to save gas money, there are MANY smarter ways to do this. To me, it boils down to the performance every time.
By performance, I mean:
1) heartpounding, neck-snapping, grin-inducing acceleration
2) seamless, smooth shifting
3) noise (or lack thereof)
4) gadgets, don't forget the gadgets
5) did I mention the acceleration?

Speaking of noise, have anyone seen the new Mclaren mp4-12c? They vent some of the engine noise into the passenger compartment to add to the experience! Here I am trying to get rid of it ;-)

In Quebec gas is $6.50 a gallon and climbing almost every day. This is because we pay heafty gas taxes and our government therefore loves high gas prices.

jordan;
your #2 is in the same category as the engine: it's seamless because it doesn't exist. There are no "gears", so shifting is impossible.

;p

Erik. Crybabies! Partially true.

There is little difference in the costs to manufacture a gallon of gasoline in the US and the Netherlands. The difference in retail price (US vs. Europe) is the colossal amount of tax many governments place on gasoline. In the U.S. our taxes on gasoline is minimal.

Our ‘crying’ is the result of oil companies drastically increasing their retail price (daily)- For no apparent reason. Yesterday, I put premium gas in my sports car – it was only $4.65. Wa Wa Wa…

I paid $4.50 for regular! :( What angers me is the rise in prices and the corresponding rise in their profits when they report after that. Obvious excuse to gouge the consumer!

Nobody is being gouged. In simple economics it's called market forces. More demand or less available supply will automatically increase prices.

If that weren't true and big oil really could gouge the consumer, then wouldn't they be doing it all the time? Do we thank the oil companies for being generous when gas prices go down?

I'm fairly conservative and it really irks me to read about Republicans excoriating Obama for "allowing" gas prices to go higher. What do they expect him to do about it? Support the oil companies more? Decrease taxes on gas? If so, then what?

Face it, gas prices are quite likely to begin increasing faster than the normal rate of inflation because more 3rd world countries are moving up and thus demand is increasing globally. I'm not sure if we've hit peak oil availability or not, but I can see it from here.

My friend Mycroft. I respectfully disagree with you. Unlike most businesses, a monopoly like Big Oil can and has manipulated supply and pricing of gasoline. In CA we have it worse, we have to use a mandated, refined gasoline to meet AQMD (air quality management ) standards. In the past supply, refinery closings, refinery fires, etc. have had some very negative impacts, and we cannot use neighboring states gasoline.

How long would you estimate it takes a barrel of oil pumped from the ground ( today ) in Saudia Arabia (or wherever) to reach our shores, delivered to a refiner, refined into gasoline, and delivered to the pump? Is 6 months reasonable? So what has happened in the last two weeks? No new war, no embargo, no refinery disasters? So why has the price at the pump increased 10% in the last two weeks? More demand, less Supply?

Personally I would like to significant higher gas takes to raise the price of gasoline to $7 a gallon. $7 gas would expedite many market changes, most for the better!

Perhaps we should start a new thread as we are very far from the Cruise Control Topic?


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