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Delivery Fee

Did anyone else notice the delivery of $990???

For me I live in silicon valley. Happy to pick up the car. Totally get the fee if someone needs car delivered, but don't get it for us locals who at happy to pick up at factory. Anyone figure this out???

Everyone pay's the delivery fee to help offset the costs of those who are out in the boondocks.

This is standard practice for car manufacturers in the US.

This also includes instruction about the car.

Yeah, I saw that, too. I went to the Menlo Park store just to talk to someone about it. It is not optional, you must pay it. So be it. But I did tell them that I planned to take delivery at the Fremont Plant.

Fees and Taxes (From my MVPA):
1) Personal Delivery $990.00
2) Final inspection, prep, and coordination $180.00
3) CA Sales Tax $6,395.00
4) CA Vehicle License Fee $536.38 (Tax deductible)
5) CA Registration, Transfer and Titling Fees $81.00
6) California Tire Fee $7.00 (I have no idea?)

I am curious. Can pick a car up from any other manufacture?

Yes, Corvette, but it still have to pay delivery

I know it's been mentioned, but this isn't at all out of line with typical delivery charges from other manufacturers. They just build it into the bottom line price, but it's right there on the sticker. Take a look at this: http://diminishedvalueofgeorgia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/2012-must....

Don't forget the state excise tax here in MA. $25.00 per thousand of LIST value. My car is scheduled to arrive in the Nov/ Dec timeframe. The law states there is no prorating of the fee. I therefore will receive two tax bills in early 2013, each for the full annual amount despite the fact I used the roads for 1 month in 2012. That's ~ $4350.00. Just bend over and grasp your ankles firmly folks...

Robert,

I faced a similar situation 14 years ago in Washington. New car and once my temps expired I had a month to go before the end of the calender year. Would have been 700 bucks for one month. So, I stuck it in the garage for a month, and drove the old car. Sucked, but id rather have the cash. For you, id say dont accept delivery before Jan 1. sucks, but for 2k, it would be worth it. Just go on vacation.

Yeah, you'd have a hard time cutting the marginal tax cost for that month to under $1/mile. 2200 miles in a month would be pretty busy!

I would add a family member or good friend on the title that lives in a different/cheaper state and register the car there. I would then register the car in MA the following year. At that point if you really wanted you could retitle the car.

$7.00 California Tire Fee. A nuisance fee to keep the environmentalists happy: http://www.boe.ca.gov/pdf/pub91.pdf

It's a fee to pay for the disposal of your tires. It's much the same as your garbage bill is a nusance fee to keep the garbage man happy.

@jbunn@hotmail.com - I'm not sure that's a good analogy. Just because you buy a tire in CA doesn't mean it will eventually be disposed of in CA. When we get an oil change for our ICE, we don't get charged a disposal fee for the new oil going in, we pay a disposal fee for the oil coming out. In my view, disposal fees should be paid when things are disposed of, as in your garbage analogy, otherwise it's just a nuisance fee to satisfy some special interest group.

Yeah, except when people have to pay to dispose of things, said things often end up in a ditch instead. It is much better paying in advance so disposal is "free". We have this system in Norway not just for tires, but also for cars and all electric appliances.

I had thought that most places had a tire fee. It's $3 in Texas. I think it was $5 in Vancouver.

I seem to recall someone trying to actually track tire disposal, and any relevant application of said fee, and being unable to do so. Another large trickle into "General Revenue"?

I agree that the cost of disposal should be at least partialy accounted for at sale. Cars aside, if a manufacturer were required to factor in the cost of disposing of it's product at end of life, including packaging, we should get better outcomes as far as materials used and their recycling options.

Here in Washington, I think we pay for a disposal fee on the old tires, but not quite sure. For 2 bucks a tire every three years, it's cheaper than my having the trash guy haul them off. I also like the idea that the few bucks helps support a system that puts the materials in a tire back into other usefull forms. I'm old enough to remember the enormous piles of used tires.

jbunn,

That would be nice but how would you enforce that on imported goods?

Ideally, the cost of a product should also include site cleanup, military, and heath issues too. Of course, that would make many products too expensive to purchase. Right now we just tack those costs onto the national debt so it appears as if there is no cost for those things.

VATs, tarrifs, duty fees, ect. I'm sure there are many ways.

And yeah, polution is a cost that we all bear, and should be bore by the people making profit off creating the mess.

Chopped tires make excellent additives to road asphalt. Vastly improves grip and durability.

Imagine how creative manufacturers and packaging people would be if every product needed to list its constituent parts (analogous to foods) and disposal fees were paid before the sale.

Could be like a VAT - add disposal fees along the production of each item. Imported items have to have it added upon entry. A rebate could be had for export.

@Jbunn and Sudre-

Appreciate the suggestions to avoid excise tax hell. I may pass on dealing with the DMV twice in two different states in an effort to maintain my sanity. If I deny myself until January, is anyone aware of any 2013 tax code surprises that might push me from frying pan to fire?

.....other than waiting a year for my 7500 tax credit should I not fiddle with my withholding.

Regarding the delivery fees, if you guys ever buy a non-tesla car from a standard dealer, when you get the paperwork pushed across the desk, feel free to just grab a pen, and start scratching them off... Nope. Nope. No, not gonna pay that eiether....

Last time I bought a car from Ford, they had some fees, and I asked what are those for... They mumbled somethign about "covering dealer costs for our expenses... blah blah." Took the pen, and said "That's your problem".

This works with normal dealers, because if you don't want the Ford, you can go get a Mercury, or a similar car from Chevy, or whatever you like. In my case, I really wanted a Chevy Blazer and said so, and the guy selling me an Explorer could see the Chevy dealer over my shoulder on the other side of the street. Secondly, dealers are independent owners, so if you don't like the deal at one Ford dealership, you can go to another with a different owner that may take your deal.

None of this works with Tesla, however. You don't have a comparable choice with another company at this time. Secondly, Tesla does not have independent dealers. Regardless of where you go, there is one Tesla to deal with. For the near future, supply is low, demand high, and there is no need for them to negotiate. And they don't have sales people.

Most important for me, I like the folks, the business model, and the product, which while expensive is at an understandable price point. So no need to be an irritant.

They used to say that the biggest depreciation is when your new car hits the street off the dealer lot. For the first 6 months, for folks getting their car this year, it might actualy be worth MORE than the purchase price to a buyer that does not want to wait in line. Somethign to smile about. Doesn't happen much.

That is true about price negotiations, in fact, the Model S will be the first car I have ever "not negotiated down aggressively" the out-the-door price. It's also the first car I have needed to get a car loan to purchase.

BYT... and for me the first car with that I got to choose ever option I wanted and didn't have to get what was on the lot. Usually wound up with stuff I didn't want, or my second choice of color.

Can you not order any car to spec in the US ? Are you forced to choose between what the dealer has on the lot ?

@jkirkebo while you can, it is the dealer mentality is to push what they have on the lot so you can buy 'today'. It is very difficult to get them to let you spec a car. When we purchased our Highlander we asked about one with a DVD player for the kids in the back. The sales guy disappeared (always a bad sign) and came back with 'not really, but we can have one installed'. My wife picked up on the 'not really' and said what do you mean you either do or you don't. He admitted they had one, when we asked to see it he again disappeared, and when he came back he said we could not. My wife sat up straight and said 'then go find me someone who can'. It took another 20 minutes of 'negotiation' to get the dealership to show us the car. It was a color we were not told was an option, but we liked as much as our first choice and had all the options we wanted plus the nav system which we did not. In retrospect nav was a great addition and we got the Tesla with the tech package because of it.

We were then told we could not buy it, because it still had all the plastic on it from shipping, and had not been 'dealer prepped'. There was white temporary paint armor on the upward facing exterior surfaces & seats were still covered in plastic. We had to repeatedly reminded them that our trade in was not with us and we couldn't take delivery 'today' anyway.

In retrospect we discovered that that day was the last day of the quarter for them and they really needed to close a dealt that day. They gave us a good discount to agree to buy the car that day instead of 5 days later when we took delivery and brought our trade in along. They got to make their numbers and we got a better price.

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The Tesla experience was so much better:

I emailed Santana Row the evening before to let them know that we wanted to come in the following morning. We got an email at 10:30pm with details on who to ask for and letting us know that they would expect us any time before noon.

We walked in and one of the reps welcomed us and we said we were there to configure and another called out my name and invited us over.

With my wife in the drivers seat of the car (her first time) we discussed the pros and cons of the choices we were waffling on. Our rep provided great information which we used to make our decisions. At no point did we feel she was steering us toward any given choice, with the single exception of ensuring that we really did decide to go with the performance option which was a firm no at the start of the morning. In the end we added it because perforated leather was just asking our kids to spill water through. Well there is the actual performance benefit and the red piping on black leather that looks really nice too :)


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