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Future batteries for Tesla: Power density and range

Everybody here, including me, has been relatively sure that batteries get smaller and smaller and at the same time cheaper and cheaper.

However there is a small problem with that. Automotive batteries do need to have relatively good power density as well as energy density. We see the result of that on Model S battery selections and corresponding performance. Bigger battery has more oomph than smaller one.

While I'm sure that in ten to fifteen years 1000 mile battery costs a bit less than 300 mile battery today and fits in the same space, it might well be that you actually need to buy that 1000 mile battery to get the same performance and not have third the size and price battery instead. Or swap to less energy density but greater power density batteries. What I have read it doesn't look that battery power densities increase at the same rate as energy densities (probably partially because it is less researched area of battery tech).

There are batteries with enormous power densities, but these tend to have poor energy density and vice versa. For example those li-air batteries that people so eagerly predict to be the ultimate automotive battery have poor power densities. With those it might turn out that you actually need to buy 2000 mile battery to get decent performance. This might not be desirable thing for price point of view.

I hope that nanotech gives us solutions to that problem as well, but at the mean time we might actually have to have huge range batteries. It might turn out to be necessity more than desire.

This means that in near future "small range batteries with fast charging times" might not be an option at all. This might also mean that in long run roadside charging is not required at all, you just want a charging possibility in end points of the journey. City centers, hotels etc. This also predicts death to all small range BEV:s like Leaf, i-MiEV etc. in very short time.

This also predicts death to all small range BEVs like Leaf, i-MiEV etc. in very short time. (Timo)

I don't think so. As range increases at constant or decreasing cost, those "small range BEVs" will simply mutate into "long range BEVs".

By death I mean current generation of those. Their value drops fast so that no-one will buy them new or used. You are right that they just mutate to long range ones as a car model.

Perhaps a new term "hybrid" cars will mean one with 75% good energy density batteries and 25% good power density, the latter of which is charged by the former, allowing for quick acceleration when needed. This would be analogous to how a typical ICE-battery hybrid works today: use the electric to add power for acceleration.

Maybe that is the future:
http://www.northwestern.edu/newscenter/stories/2011/11/batteries-energy-...

Hold more power and at the same time charge faster (can you imagine a 1000 miles battery still charging in 45 minutes).
Does that mean it can also discharge faster, addressing Timo's concerns ?

I sounds like the future is in "semi-conductor batteries", a term that I just made up.

I just want the same batteries that were used in the phasers from Star Trek, which probably have similar chemistry to the light sabre batteries in Star Wars. :-)

There have been several Universities and research centers reporting out on battery break-throughs. That's good. It means the interest is widespread and something will make it to the market soon.

Tesla handles this by using thousands of cells. Perhaps future battery packs will have many more (smaller, lighter) cells.

RB;
Yes, there have been many who wondered how those miraculous devices dealt with heat dissipation. Perhaps it was teleported into parallel universe A123?


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