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I don't know about anyone else (actually I do) but I've been following this car for a very long time. And throughout that entire time Tesla has boldly, and repeatedly made the claim that they could deliver an all electric sedan that could go from 0-60 in 5.6 seconds for $49,900 (after incentives). Did they? I say they didn't. In fact they say so right on their options listing page. Yet, maybe because we love the car so much, none of us are willing to say anything about this? Shouldn't we be honest enough to call this what it is, regardless of our support for the car?

Klaus - At the risk of repeating myself (I've actually clearly stated this numerous times now) I love the car, so your whole statement is rather baffling.

It seems to me that most of you confuse taking issue with the company with taking issue with the car.

No, just tired of rereading the same old stuff. We got your point. Let it rest. And PLEASE, don't repeat yourself. I'll clarify MY statement, I don't care if you have an issue "with the company". I've heard it "numerous times".

The odd thing is this. I've actually moved on, to other threads. Where I am indeed not making any mention of this issue at all. Yet, I keep seeing the red box appear indicating there's a new response on this thread. I come back and read, and more often than not it's some snide remark telling me to "let it go" yada yada. So, one would think if someone leaves a post that I, as the original poster, might indeed reply.

The issue is done as far as I'm concerned, on this forum at the very least. There's no sense discussing it here. So I moved on. If people wish to keep it alive they will.

This forum needs a block feature, so I don't have to hear the same thing from a certain poster, over and overand over...

:)

mcornwell - This may be difficult to understand. But you do realize you can simply not read the thread that I post, right?

I just love the folks that think it needs to be all positive all the time. You guys must all have apple products, right?

...or simply not answer. :)

@mscottring, I have seen both claims but never really made any connection that 5.6 secs would be the base model. Model S is the car that does 0-60 in 5.6 secs and it is sold at $50k, but to me those are two separate promises.

So to me Tesla never promised that you can get both in the same car.

To put that in other way using your wording "Have you ever seen, heard, read ANYTHING at all that indicated the capability to go 0-60 in 5.6 seconds would be achieved with the 160 mile battery pack?"

Any definite anywhere? I haven't.

Klaus - and yet you still keep posting. LOL

:)

MscoTROLL

Posting on an (Android) Galaxy Tab...

Timo - I get your point. However, they never made it clear, at any point, that it was disassociated. Again, see the BMW example above. to put the car, the base price, and the performance spec all together (which they have indeed done, numerous times) gives the impression that they are associated. I'll have to read some more, but I'm actually pretty sure Elon stated as much.

mcornwell - Ooh, name calling, how cute. Remind me, you don't like my posts, so your on the thread because....? LOL Now, about that whole troll thing.

FYI - I'm not sure what you folks do for a living. But you're not very good at letting a subject you've stated you want to end, end. just saying.

Troll, didn't realize you owned this thread. And if it was just one thread you were posting in, that would be great, except you post the same rants all over including the thread I started, the first one letting people know option pricing was up.

mcornwell - do you actually know the definition of a troll, because you're falling into that definition right now.

And I'm sorry if I said something slightly negative about a corporation. God forbid.

mc - Who am I kidding, I'm not sorry I said something negative about a corporation. LOL

a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages

mccorntroll - Now that we've established the definition of a troll, and you are it. Please, give an example of me posting something that was, well, lets say off topic? No. Well how about extraneous (let me know if you need help with the definition on that one)? Inflammatory? Nope. I've simply posted my opinion ON TOPIC about this car and this company, and the recent release of the options pricing. And I'm starting to think you actually work for Tesla.

I count 19 messages from other people and 50 messages total. That's 31 messages from you mscottring. Maybe it is time to take a breather?

Timo - You're seriously counting my messages? You made me just spit out perfectly good wine I laughed so hard. Good lord man, find something better to do.

Timo - Maybe you hadn't noticed, in your haste to count up those messages of mine. But I'm being attacked on a personal level, simply for having an opinion that is in opposition to what others seem to want to believe, and sticking to it. I repeated, several times now, that I wanted to DROP THIS SUBJECT, and was still attacked. And you're telling me to take a breather? Really?

Let me make this as clear as possible. If someone posts something here I will reply to it. If people want this issue to die then let it. Simple really, unless the person reading this is as well.

Mscottring

I think you have a bad case of 'last word itis'.

Chicago.

'last word itis'

Definition: overriding need to get in the last word, no matter what

Where this Thread Ends

based upon Where the Sidewalk Ends by Shel Silverstein

"There is a place where this thread ends
And before the street begins,
And there the grass grows soft and white,
And there the sun burns crimson bright,
And there the moon-bird rests from his flight
To cool in the peppermint wind.

Let us leave this place where the smoke blows black
And the dark street winds and bends.
Past the pits where the asphalt flowers grow
We shall walk with a walk that is measured and slow,
And watch where the chalk-white arrows go
To the place where this thread ends.

Yes we'll walk with a walk that is measured and slow,
And we'll go where the chalk-white arrows go,
For the children, they mark, and the children, they know
The place where this thread ends."

Happy Holidays from YATF (Yet Another Tesla Fanboy!)

Oh good lord, why make this personal? Is there a way to delete an entire thread? If so, do tell. I'll be better off discussing this issue with the media anyway.

Here is a possibility. TM was testing their prototypes and found out that the smaller battery packs yield higher 0-60 times. This all happened after the factory reveal.

Stephen - Here's another possibility (actually being discussed on at least one other Tesla web site). Tesla has known from day one that the only way they could reach that 0-60 time was with the 300 mile battery pack. They didn't release the information because it would impact the level of reservations coming in.

For heavens sake folks! Just take a deep breath and realize that we are NOT talking about BMW, GM, or even Saab... Tesla has made a total run of what, 8 cars??? How in the hell can you compare a start-up automobile manufacturer with a small population of dedicated employees that are working 80 hour weeks to CREATE something from scratch, to missing a meaningless marketing goal of X.Y seconds from 0 - 60...

Obviously, mscottring has never been on the bleeding edge of creating something from nothing and does not have the heart nor the intellect to fully comprehend the endeavor being accomplished here.

Personally, having been fully through this in 3 Silicon Valley high tech start-ups before, I suggest that mscottring should go buy a Leaf. It is just another crappy car by a "real" manufacturer that you can meaninglessly complain about for days on end for the lack of range, lack of performance, unsightly design, whatever... He and someone else can blame the 10,000 engineers of Nissan for failure. Have a ball.

But if you want to participate in the genesis of "something from nothing", then watch the Tesla franchise going forward. Yes, mistakes will undoubtedly be made, but not from design and bad intent, but from trying to invent from scratch and not quite meeting the goal.

I for one say, "Bravo Tesla!" I am here for you! And I am not alone.


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