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Model E prototype in 12 to 15 months
  • http://blogs.marketwatch.com/themargin/2013/10/22/elon-musktesla-to-offe...
  • Here's a cool article, mainly on Tesla's changes to cars for the autobahn.

    It also includes a video of Musk talking about Germany (start at 15 min for Musk), saying it's Tesla's new top focus in the world. He's also quoted on updates for the Model E and how Fuel Cells have no future.

    So how about it? In a year we'll have the Model X, E concept, and Chargers for days. Exciting!

    I think this is the biggest Tesla news in a long time. I'm surprised it isn't getting more attention. So much of the skepticism is the people who think Gen III is not close to becoming a reality. This highly suggests that in fact Gen III is going to happen and within the timeframe Elon has been talking about for over a year - by 2017. The Gen III platform will be the nucleus for Model E, smaller Model X, sports car/roadster, pick-up truck, etc. This platform is likely to sell millions of cars per year as fast as they can ramp up production with new factories.

    I imagine the pick-up platform would be the larger MS skateboard. No reason for a truck to be shorter.

    I agree that this is important news for Tesla. The Model E will be an important factor in long-term success for the company. If you are lucky enough to have taken the Fremont factory tour (MS owners: I recommend it) you know that they should be able to ramp up production there pretty fast. They are only using about one quarter of that space, without full work shifts.

    Model S
    Model E
    Model X
    Model Y ? (Truck)

    Also some comments in there about the software and getting it upgraded and opened up. Cool stuff.

    I heard there are a lot work going on for the Roadster II (Model R?)

    Nissan is road testing a Leaf 44 Kw/h a 200 miles car, so if it comes first it will be a competition for Model E

    The only news I could find about a new, longer range Leaf was from this article:

    http://insideevs.com/nissan-exec-reliable-125-miles-of-range-coming-to-l...

    It says that the Leaf will have a 200 km range by 2016 - that's only 124 miles and ideally rated.

    Expect big rollout of Gen III in early 2014 as well as start-up of Model X production, many more superchargers also, hoping for a supercar built on the S sled it will need all the juice it can get to compete in the supercar category. A nice fit for Gen III sled would be a more compact sport model but not a supercar. Truck has to have a large platform also I would think.

    This is the link test road Leaf 48 Kw/h

    http://insideevs.com/nissan-tests-48-kwh-leaf-at-ecoseries/

    I think I'll stick with Tesla. A 48kwh battery in a Leaf, is still a Leaf but a much more expensive version. Style points=0.

    Based upon a reading of the comments in that article, it looks like Nissan had to remove the rear seats and filled that area with additional battery capacity to hit 48 kWh. The article also called this car a "mobile test lab". It's clear that Nissan is nowhere close to bringing a 200 mile leaf to market, unless it wants to sacrifice the rear seats.

    When you read about Nissan experimenting with a 48 kWh battery in 2013 (a capacity that Tesla has already discarded due to low sales) and hoping to increase Leaf range to 124 miles by 2016, you quickly realize just how far ahead of everyone Tesla actually is with its technology. By the time Nissan brings a 124 mile Leaf to market, Tesla will be close to shipping Gen 3 / Model E with a longer range and better performance.

    Read it closely and the article stated that these are not official Nissan development testing. It's just a few Nissan tech experimenting for this event at their own time.

    'Note: Omitted from this post was reference to race team being composed of after hours Nissan employees “who are all taking part in the series in their spare time”, not work directly related to a Nissan research project.'

    Tesla competitors are still non existent.

    Tesla just hired Apple's VP of Product Design... bodes well for the future.

    http://www.ibtimes.com/who-doug-field-tesla-motors-tsla-snags-apple-aapl...

    @ Amped - But didn't you post on the Apple Event thread that, Google ". . . seems like a better fit than with Apple, which essentially has nothing to offer Tesla that would be especially useful or groundbreaking."?

    Tesla hired Apple software engineers, sources their "groundbreaking" touchscreen from Apple's iPad supplier, and the whole minimalist interior approach of the "S" screams Apple. Now with this latest Apple hire it seems Apple does indeed have the goods Tesla would love to tap. As far as hardware, one would be wise to strive for Apple's innovative zeal and attention to detail. Discrediting either Google or Apple is always a mistake. They both have a long life ahead with a lot to offer.

    It's a good thing Elon is a genius because he is a terrible public speaker.

    TeslaMD: http://www.paulgraham.com/ambitious.html claims ``I was talking recently to someone who knew Apple well, and I asked him if the people now running the company would be able to keep creating new things the way Apple had under Steve Jobs. His answer was simply "no."'', and while Paul Graham is not necessarily unbiased, that does not seem to support your claim about Apple having a long life ahead. Were you thinking on a shorter time horizon than Paul Graham is?

    polyphase: My impression has been that Elon's spontaneous speach sometimes doesn't sound as smooth as a lot of other people's teleprompter reading, but if Elon is actually thinking on the fly and being compared to people who are just reading from a script (or reciting a script they've memorized), I think Elon is a lot more impressive. Ernest Moniz, the US Secretary of Energy, seems to be similarly good at spontaneous public speach. With both Musk and Moniz, I suspect this comes from having spent a lot of time thinking about the underlying issues prior to the discussion, but some of the video of Elon speaking does seem to be about questions he hasn't quite been asked in that form before.

    I can't STAND the rehearsed BS public speaking style we usually hear,

    ELON RULES and is one of the rare few public speakers I actually want to hear more from.

    The Guardian's auto reviewer thinks the exterior is bland and the touchscreen is "hideous". But acknowledges that probably marks him as a fossil!

    Don't mistake the prototype dates with delivery dates. And adding battery capacity is not so much a display of tech superiority as simply a decision
    to stuff a vehicles with more batteries.

    @ TeslaMD,

    When I speak about Apple having nothing to offer Tesla, I am speaking of software and technologies. Hiring great talent from Apple is not related to that.

    About Google and Apple, I think that outside US they will run into serious headwinds soon due to spying allegations in regard to NSA, etc. It is causing some serious blowback buildup potential. I think that it isn't inconceivable that in many markets, they will be obstructed and sidelined within next few years. Both have also pretty much ignored complaints from other governments so far so I think they have pissed off some of them to a degree that might result
    in coordinated actions against them. Not a good thing if Internet and the market get split like that and to regional closed off clouds.. Not good.

    Car t;
    Yeah, but what determines how much they cost, and how much they hold? Efficiency and technology are after all the reason the i3 etc. struggle to "stuff" 100 miles worth into a car.

    Who cares if Elon is a good public speaker or not since we know that he is NOT a human per se but a super being from outer space with intelligence far beyond that we human can comprehend. :-)

    Watch any professional athlete interviewed after the game in any sport, they all talk with exactly the same tone: "Well, uh, we just...we gave it a good go, we uh, played well, as a team, and ah, they were great competitors, put together a great effort, and, I think right there, we just played a good ball game". The half-shrug and head shake during their delivery...the staring at the ground, sniffing with their hands on their sides while the question is being answered. They sound like automatons giving the same canned PC response! It's so repetitive most of the time I need to mute the TV.

    Well it's the same with all these corporate doublespeak types. Elon is different. The Tony Stark comparisons are appropriate as I could see him losing patience and deviating from the company line like at the end of the Iron Man movie.

    agreed. Saw Elon last night at the opening of the London store, in a huge shopping Mall! What impresses is that he does not give canned answers at all, he thinks hard about every question being asked, and addresses the point of it by drawing on his vast knowledge of the R&D behind this vehicle.

    It is rare to see a CEO who knows as much about the details of his company's product as this man, although he wasn't exactly sure how people could effectively provide product feedback to Tesla!

    The RHD Model S in coming to the UK in late March 2014 and he remains committed to UK superchargers being free to S owners. But for Roadster owners, as he put it, the S can "mainline" a high V & A charge directly into the battery pack but the Roadster is constrained by having to go via the charge controller, which is not rated so high.

    Sig #1 is a high profile owner apparently...

    Actually, athletes always say they gave 110% after each game :)

    If you are satisfied with rehearsed presentations, canned responses, hollow phrases and politically correct non-statements (what you'll get from 99% of the CEO's), then Elon is clearly not your man.

    If you pay attention, you can see he pauses to actually THINK, give real information and truthful answers. That makes him one of the best public speakers amongs CEO's. It's the content that counts, not the packaging.

    Oh yeah, and he suffers a mild stutter. Big deal.

    If you measure speaking ability by the gravity it creates, then you must conclude Elon is in fact a very compelling and capable voice.

    Less vanish, and more insightful truth requires no apology. He's an archetype for what a great CEO should be.

    His unscripted approach is demonstrably honesty, and sets the tone for the entire staff.

    Great comments but I think model E will be around 50K realistically speaking, you read that Model S started from $60K, we all know the average model S is in the $80K
    My point is that leaf can achieve a 150 miles car around $30K Tesla won't, of course Tesla is way better car but we are talking about marketing target of $30K


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