Per Elon at All Things D...after tomorrow's, around June 20 is next (presumably the "fifth" in the trilogy)
Comparing refill times would not be fair if "bathroom breaks, soda refills, etc" are only counted as time used to fill an ICE.
Those activities are universal. ICE or EV.
hasdler, you can't walk away from your car while you are pumping gas. But you can do that while recharging your Model S. So while in an ICE you have to do things sequentially, with the Model S it is in parallel multitasking.
pump gas: 3 min
pay: 2 min
move vehicle to resting area: 1 min
visit bathroom: 3 min
grab a snack & coffee: 15 min
total time: 24 minutes
hookup Model S: 5 sec
visit bathroom 3 min
grab a snack & coffee: 15 min
wait for charge to finish: 5 min
disconnect Model S: 5 sec
total time: 23 min 10 sec
There, creative accounting can solve any problem ;)
(But still doesn't jibe with the 'throughout the country' part of the Elon tweet> Today and in the near future superchargers are not and will not be throughout the country)
Depends what you mean by "throughout". Look at the 2015 map again.
Also depends on what you mean by "near future".
I stand corrected
It's just that.....
During SC time, I have yet to leave my MS - it's too relaxing to just sit in it.
I never thought Tesla could get 50% of the charge done in 20 minutes. May be they figured out a way to do 50% of the charge in 15% using a 150 Amp charger on a experimental demo Model S85? It is possible using different chemistry battery. Personally, I am happy with 20 min for 50% charge. That would be 300 mile of fast driving. I rarely drive longer than that... may be once in 20 years.
With the supercharger announcement, I am waiting for the Jun-20 announcement before I place the order for a 85P. I really want the X, but that will take time, so I just put a deposit. I suspect the X will get the bigger 500 mile battery. With AWD and Performance, it should be an superb auto. Wonder what Consumer Reports will have to say. The only weakness are the falcon doors, but I can live with that. May be they will optional.
"The liquid-cooled battery pack, with quick release fluid connections will be installed in a matter of seconds. The battery pack provides the final structural element to the body. With this engineering feat, you'll be able to quickly swap an empty battery for a full one, should the need arise on long road trips."
Gilbert Passin June 16, 2010
It does seem that a "live demonstration" of an enhanced charging process would be unnecessary. An announcement detailing the new capabilities would seem to suffice.
A robotic battery swap on the other hand, now a demonstration is definitely called for there.
I still think he's gonna demonstrate a 10 minute charge to a range of 150 miles, but yes, nice find.
Combining some other theories on this forum, I'll say introduce the production version of a Model X with 500 mile pack. They won't announce that it is 500 mile pack but will demo it charging past 300 miles then key in on that as the charge keeps rising. I wish Elon would debunk the swappable battery theory for now, just seems to good to be true. I know about the sec filings but so much hype around swapping that if its not that, then demo might be underwhelming
Another owner who read the battery warranty claims that it is similar to other products (like tires) in terms of be pro-rated over the 8 years. this means that if it fails after 4 years the Tesla warranty will cover only 50% of the battery replacement cost. If true, this put a major wrinkle on battery swapping unless you end up with your original battery at the end. Seems very difficult to manage. I think that id battery swapping is the approach it will be an additional battery in frunk. I also want to point out that we should not read too much into patent applications. Companies routinely shotgun patent applications to create IP with only a small fraction being commercialized.
A 500 mile pack being charged to 200 miles in 10 minutes seems achievable. He has mentioned the prospect of a 400-500 mile pack recently. This would be very exciting.
I think the case has already been made for the Model S, but this kind of demonstration would seal the deal. It would extinguish the concerns of those who have range anxiety, and I think he could make a reasonable case that the cost of the battery is (or could eventually be) low enough to employ in a Model S.
The bigger question is can he translate that into a convincing case for the Gen III too? It doesn't seem like much that much of a stretch since the Gen III battery is going to be smaller.
The battery warranty does NOT provide for pro-rated replacement cost. It does not cover gradual energy or power loss over time, but if it fails within the warranty period, TM will repair or replace it.
The demo could be battery swap, but the only way I see it actually working for long range travel would be as follows:
1) You start out at a service center, where the remove your battery and hold it until you get back, and replace it with a travel battery.
2) On your trip, you either stop at service centers, or maybe ... and this is a long shot ... maybe Tesla has come with a very compact change out unit that can be installed in parking spot at supercharger locations, but the inventory of spare batteries would probably be very small, and you might have to occasionally fall back to charging instead of swapping.
3) On your return, you visit the service center, and they reinstall your original battery.
Still, I'll be surprised if the demo is battery swap.
I very much hope that you are right. Where would I find the language that makes it clear? (my friend who is usually thorough claims he read the warranty language but I did not personally confirm).
Back to the big-wire hookup of offline charged battery in SC to the car battery: how much simultaneous cooling of the MS battery would it require to half-charge it safely in a short time?
They already have made the swap to 3.4 or 4 (?) volt batteries for all cars produced from 1.1..2013 and software 4.5 will switch to the new 300/340 mile range the 20th.;-) = faster car for the performance+ owners and quicker charge time for everyone with the new batteries.
Here is the full language on the battery warranty (from the New Vehicle Limited Warranty, available from your Dashboard on the TM site):
Subject to the exclusions and limitations described in this New Vehicle Limited Warranty, the Battery Limited Warranty covers the repair or replacement necessary to correct defects in the materials or workmanship of the vehicle’s lithium-ion battery (“Battery”) manufactured or supplied by Tesla that occur under normal use for a period of 8 years or for the miles specified below for your vehicle’s Battery type, whichever comes first:
• 40 kWh - 100,000 miles (160,000 km)
• 60 kWh - 125,000 miles (200,000 km)
• 85 kWh - unlimited miles/km
The Battery, like all lithium-ion batteries, will experience gradual energy or power loss with time and use. Loss of Battery energy or power over time or due to or resulting from Battery usage, is NOT covered under this New Vehicle Limited Warranty. See your owner documentation for important information on how to maximize the life and capacity of the Battery.
So TM is obligated to repair or replace a battery that fails. They do not simply give you an amount of money, prorated by the age of the battery.
Just got an invite at Hawthorne facility for June 20th at 7:30 PM
"There is a way for Tesla Model S to be recharged faster than you can fill a gas tank"
That quote is specifically stating "recharged faster". I can't imagine the event being a battery swap.
Whatever the upgrade is, it needs to be something that won't cause the current orders to want to delay and wait for it.
If there is an amazing new technology that will be installed in MS 2.0 in a few months, there will be a lot of people delaying their purchase.
If the current 14,000 MS cars are locked out of the "recharge faster than a car" technology, there are going to be a lot of angry owners.
I would be tempted to cancel my order for delivery if there is an amazing upgrade coming that current cars won't get.
Perhaps its a simple as it sounds: An improved supercharger that fully charges the battery in 2-3 minutes.
That link would imply it is battery swap. I hope not.
That put Better Place into bankruptcy. Tesla does not need that type of baggage.
I just got invited to the event too. It will be fun to see this new technology / improvement in person. If it wasn't going to work for existing owners, then they would not be inviting us to come watch in person.
So the demo will be conducted at Hawthorne SC on June 20? Then it will probably not be about battery swap but about an improved and faster supercharger.
Kind of worried about this demo....I remember Elon saying that some people(believe he's referring to owners) didn't know they could supercharge during the shareholder conference. I find that hard to believe though. So this demo could be simply showing the current supercharger tech versus the new supercharger tech which probably will be disappointing to all the forum addicts and in my opinion not worthy of a demo. Just my pessimistic opinion on the announcement.
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