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NJ senator sponsors bill to tax alternate fuel vehicles at twice the rate of ICE vehicles

You've got to love it when they throw equity and fairness right out the window. Remember this guy when you go to the polls New Jerseyites.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2013/04/26/new-jersey-electric-...

Reminds me of the Washington State EV surcharge... Wrong on so many levels...

It makes you think that guys like this are intentionally out to sabotage their state (or our nation on the federal level). Someone ought to be checking if this Senator is receiving contributions from oil companies or traditional car dealers.

Instead of the 'Tax the Rich' bumper sticker, Tesla and other EV drivers could sport 'Tax the Polluters' bumper stickers... What is wrong with with making money legally? - nothing in my book... What is wrong with making pollution by burning petrol when it can be avoided? Everything - and government should discourage it by taxing it.

So you do not beat up on working class people who can not afford a EV yet, you put a pollution tax on new ICE car purchases, the proceeds of which subsidize incentives for EV (no sales tax, point of purchase rebate and off set loss of fuel tax).

Let the polluter pay, new car buyers have a real choice now, if they can not afford a Tesla they can buy a Volt or C-Max. Choosing to pollute should come with a cost. If you are going to tax drivers, tax new ICE car buyers who choose to pollute!

I think it is perfectly fine -- if NJ would like to inhale exhaust fumes and make itself even more of an undesirable place to live, let them.

It's easier to understand why a senator does something so at odds with rational thought when you accept that the whole system is corrupt and rotten to the core.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/everything-is-rigged-the-bigge...

Sad though because NJ is one of the states that does not charge sales tax on EVs...

They seemed to be going a different direction then the other backward Northeastern States that always get it wrong - taxing 'good' activity like clean tech and high income job producers and subsidizing outdated noncompetitive industries and encouraging people to stay on the dole...

Gov Christie could get some good press by denouncing the bill and going on record as pro-EV...

I'm sure it's only a matter of time until this nonsense reaches us here in MA. It's an easy revenue grab with no significant opposition other than a few passive Prius drivers and rabid Teslites.

we dont pay gaas tax and in wa we dont pay sales tax. thats plenty. i dont mind a road charge.

Democratic Sen. James Whelan of Atlantic City, N.J : IDIOT!

@DTsea

I do! EV buyers are taking a risk and investing their hard earned money in a new technology that is in the vital interest of us all and deserve ample rewards in terms of incentives and operational savings not any kind of surcharge or tax.

Interesting topic. When it comes to supporting the infrastructure, cars with better fuel economy already pay less taxes than a gas guzzler, even though the same number of miles are driven. It sounds like as electric vehicle become more common, they should eliminate the gas tax all together, and just have a tax based on mileage. So the more you drive and wear out the roads, the more you pay, regardless of the vehicle.

This Democrat, Sen. Whelan, might consider a tax on walking, that wearing out the sidewalks. Do not forget breathing, with all that carbon dioxide.

@rdalcanto - exactly. Trucks already pay road-use taxes based on miles, so it wouldn't be problem to do the same for cars. When you register your car, you self-report the odometer reading. Subtract last years, multiply by the tax per mile, pay it. If you sell your car before the next registration, the new owner will pay the whole year, and you can negotiate that in the price. Make the penalty enough for false reporting, and people won't try and cheat.

There, problem solved, fair to everyone - the state doesn't lose money as vehicles become more efficient, they don't have to invent new ways to tax alternate fuel vehicles, and buyers don't get disincentivized to seek efficiency.

The state of Washington DID pass a yearly tab tax on electrics of 100 dollars to go to roads. Also should note that Washington has one of the highest per gal gas taxes for roads. 40 some cents per gal, as I recall. I figured with my ice, I was paying at least 10 times that. And no sales tax on electrics. So the tab tax is not entirley unreasonable imho.

Im going to check this other legislation out...

No need to even self-report the odometer reading. Most states require annual inspections where this information is recorded along with vehicle emissions, etc. Auto insurance companies use this data all the time to grant people low mileage discounts. They certainly don't trust them to self-report anymore.

Rdalcanto- +1, can you fix healthcare next? ;)

@Robert22 - except EVs are exempt from emissions checks, so that doesn't help. Other sources don't correspond with when you renew your tag, so it doesn't help for getting a consistent annual usage fee.

My insurance company has never asked for any proof, only current odometer readings. Even if you tried to cheat, eventually it will get caught up.

Not in my state (MA). They hook me up to the computer just like everyone else. I've got a nice $29.00 bill to prove it. I just renewed my car insurance last month. Apparently all the majors are working out a system to share and document odometer mileage. Expected rollout: less than two years. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Also, EV's will not be exempt from annual inspections in most states. Emissions/ inspection, call it what you like.

EVs are exempt from emissions inspections in Washington state, and there are no other mandatory inspections.

There is only smog check and no other inspections in CA. Needless to say MS is exempt.

I agree with rdalcanto mileage fee (it's a fee not tax) for all cars is a reasonable proposition. There should still be gasoline tax to compensate for the pollutants and GH gasses it generates though.

No EV for me yet but I'm totally in agreement we need to remove the gas tax across the board and go to a mileage based system. Maybe even a tiered system based on vehicle weight is appropriate too. Oh yeah, drivers who choose to use studded tires should pay triple for the miles they use the studs. I know that last sentence won't be popular with folks in the northern states but the current crop of stud-less winter tires are quite good.

I'm in WA state and for next year I don't really mind paying the $100, because they already gave me no sales tax, that's more than $7k.

We should probably have a split system, gas taxes plus a smaller pay per mile and weight. The state needs the money, and I like having a road to drive on.

I'm always suspicious about the fact that we have had classes of diesel usage that don't pay gas taxes for some reason (maybe farm equipment?), and how much of that ends up being used for normal vehicles.

Yes, driving an EV helps the environment so its better than gas cars to some extent (no oil spills on the road) but we still need a bridge and road to drive on.

I think we also need taxes based on the value of a vehicle in Washington state, so the richer folks who drive teslas and other 70k+ cars can pay a little more than the person driving a much less expensive car. Make it slightly less if you drive an ev maybe, but still, the state is starved for revenue.


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