Who is going to get the first P+'s off the line? I have an "end of line" date of May 20 with delivery shortly (5 days?) after that. Has anyone gotten delivery already or have earlier dates?
Let me tell you what the TESLA person told me in April, the day after the P+ package was released and I added it to my order.
I know most of you will call BS (I do too actually) but let me tell you I swear on all that is important that this conversation really happened in early April.
I asked if there is anything they can tell me about P+ that is not on the website, like faster or whatever. She lowered her voice to almost a whisper and said "Well, I can tell you that in our in house tests, not publishable yet, we have seen 0-60 times of 3.1 seconds". I started screaming in disbelief and she was laughing. She said it was due to increased traction that they could funnel more energy to wheels. She said these are not official numbers and might change when released but that it was scary quick.
I DO NOT BELIEVE this. But this is what she said and perhaps this will not be what is finally released but I am just telling you what I heard and I swear I'm not making it up.
@KOL2000 - even with slicks you'd need 600 hp to get down close to 3 sec - it is simple physics. If they stick a 250hp motor in the front and make it AWD then maybe. Until then...
@rchiang - Lolachampcar is doing this on his car - he's already change some of the arms to adjust the toe angle. He's tried sourcing the bushings but it isn't looking good.
Ok, Tesla is tightening up the rear bushings which will help control the rear contact patch better. They are stiffening up the dampers (just a guess here) which will quicken load transfer. They are adding width to the rear rim and tire.
Two out of the three should/might help launch a little while the dampers should hurt it just the slightest amount. I would not be surprised to see a tenth (or maybe even two) come off the 0-60 but I have to agree with KOL2000 that pulling a second off that time would be darn difficult. Doing it with launch changes only just simply does not seem possible.
I replaced my upper control arms to take a degree of negative camber out of the rear. If my past experience is any guide, this will help me out on rear tire wear. Luckily there was enough adjustment in the toe eccentric to get the toe back into specification without having to build toe arms as well.
@lolachampcar: Do they already have parts yet for tesla P85 or did you have to customize it? I think after market companies start to produce parts they will make lots of money. I think there is great demand out there because tesla forgot to put does improvements. I'm interested in finding your results once you have the right combination. Like when I first started to modify my little civic took me years to get the correct setting. Miss my old little car but I sold it to get this p85. :)
Saw the P85+ today! Looks great! The badge on the back shows "P85+"
Looks like the P85 but tires are just a teeny bit meatier, but not too noticeable. thumbs up! It's rolling off the lot! Be prepared to see them on the road.
Wow thanks energize!!! Super exciting!!! Hope someone posts some 0-60 #'s soon and handling report.
The one I saw was not delivered yet. It was in service for detailing. So congrats to the first owner of a P85+. Just want everyone to be pumped up about this! :) it's exciting.
That would be unbelievably amazing IF just a few tweaks to the MS suspension, a tiny amount of extra rubber in the rear, with slightly different street tires, would actually improve the 0-60 MPH by almost a full second.
Furthermore, if that's all it takes to get supercar numbers on the P85, without a larger DC motor, I wiil just wait until a third-party comes up with even better aftermarket mods, and add my own 2" wider rear tires for even better grip, with lighter after-market 21" racing wheels, and more carbon-fiber replacement panels.
Unfortuantly, I don't think the rep understood what she was talking about (likely she was confusing a time of 3.1 seconds faster around a track), or just blowing smoke.
Regardless, for an extra $6,500.00, I would be willing to take the risk. Worse case, you get a standard P85 that can corner like a McLaren (which is almost unbelliveable itself!).
I think she either said 4.1s or meant to say 4.1s but let's wait and see. The car could worth at least $50000 more if the 3.1s figure is true.
We already get 4.1 in the P85 (in optimal conditions). It really is physically impossible to improve those numbers by a full second, without a massive amount of extra power added to the car. Or, at least two tons of weight removed from the car.
Besides, IF the engineers at Tesla were getting 0-60 MPH runs at 3.1 sec, Elon would be shouting from the rooftops, and their stock would hit $350 a share, a day later.
I got an email stating
Estimated Pickup Window
May. 17th - May. 31st
Does anyone know how to get a better ETA?
Had e39 M5 and just sold e60 M5 a week ago....making room for the p85+.
Funny, did not test drive a model S. Might have to test drive after I get p85+ just for comparison.
Learning a lot on this forum!
"not publishable yet". Hmmm.... Well, if there's enough power to burn rubber with TC off, there's (by definition) power to burn. We'll see.
3.1 is what she said guys. I verified it over and over again with her. I was stunned and histerically laughing. She believed what she told me.
My buddy is holding off on ordering a Ferrari till he tests my P*....
ok brycellsah, with your previous M5 ownership your our official P85+ test pilot. I await your evaluation!
See my comment above. If you can "break loose", there's waste power that better traction could exploit. Just sayin'.
@eddygorsuch: I do not mind...
Did you pick up your car today? Any feedback you can provide (between grinning;) ?
Tesla publishes a 0 - 60 time of 4.2 seconds for the P85. I'm fairly certain she meant the P85+ has improved on that to 4.1 seconds. Not realizing the significance of her mistake she didn't catch the numerical error when she confused 3.1 seconds with 4.1 seconds.
Paul, Eddy - any one?
Park that Performance+ beauty for a minute and tell us all about how it drives and compares :)
Unfortunately I got to the factory a little later than planned. There weren't any P85+ in the delivery lot, so we didn't get a chance to hook up.
Maybe its all four the better - no chance to spoil my opinion of my new P85. :-)
Do you know if Paul received his car?
Good afternoon folks.
I am sorry, I did not get a chance to update this forum. I have actually been offline since I left Los Angeles on Thursday evening to pick up the P85+ on Friday morning.
So, I did arrive there a tad bit early, presumably from all the anticipation. The Tesla employees at the delivery center were very kind to allow me into the center at 8:15 a.m. Within ten minutes, I had signed all the paperwork and was shown around my vehicle, which took another 30 minutes of time to walk me through the vehicle.
According to the folks there, mine was the one of the first P85+ they delivered, and the fellow helping me, Matt, indicated he'd driven one the previous day to the Menlo Center.
By the time I left, I did not see my dear forum mate 'eddygorsuch'. I was grinning, yes, and the rest of the tale is pure joy and an adrenaline rush like no other. Mind you, I have driven a Mercedes SLS AMG for over a year now, and have loved the way the car handles. I am no professional at handling, but from a pure purist perspective, I am thoroughly impressed with the P85% performance.
I did change the steering mode to "Sport", in order to get that robust, hard driving machine feel, and I can only say the car's been performing wonderfully well. A lot of the folks I passed on the I880 heading towards San Francisco were left in awe as I put this beast through its intended high performance driving. It handles like a baby, and responds faster that the SLS. It is surprisingly sneaky on the pick-up as it seems to request maximum performance at all times from the driver.
The turns are smooth and there's no drag or loss of control. Their is wind noise however, from the pano roof, even when closed; a whoosh that never goes away at speeds higher than 55mph.
But the joy and feedback are phenomenal.
It really is a pulse above the P85 I test drove all those months ago, even though the test drive is nothing compared to your own vehicle at your mercy.
Friends, this machine has certainly relegated my SLS to a far away dream. I drove down to L.A. on Saturday morning, stopping at Gilroy, Harris Ranch and Tejon. I recommend anyone expecting to enjoy the speeds I maintainted on the drive, roughly 90-105mph stop at all superchargers as those speeds do suck-up a lot of battery power. I took my fiancee on a spin yesterday, Sunday, and she could only describe it as a jet taking off down the runway or a roller-coaster. She is in love, and couldn't get over it.
Once again, I do apologize for the late post, but I have been tied up enjoying a wonderful dream, over-achieved.
Thanks Paul, Much appreciated!
Sounds like a winner :)
Thank you Paul for taking the time out of the driver's seat to update us! I'm moving from a C63 to the P+ and was eager to hear the thoughts of a new owner. I've driven the SLS at the AMG day so for you to say it beats it that handily it really sets my mind at ease over the choice.
Great description Paul. Congrats!
Perhaps your pano needs to be shimmed. Apparently that creates a slightly tighter seal and reduces wind noise at 100mph ;-)
What kind of wh/m were you getting at those high speeds?
Thank you Paul I need to change my pants now.
This is going to be a long 10 days for me...
Just a very quick note to say I picked up my performance plus in Seattle on Saturday the 11th. Apparently the first performance plus in the Seattle area.
Unfortunately I will not be much help in giving feedback on how much improvement the plus package brings to the Tesla Model S. My only previous experience with a Tesla was a 40 minute test drive. Nor have I regularly driven high performance cars in the past. So all I can say is it drives wonderfully, up and down the hills outside of Seattle it feels like it is on rails. There is something amazing about accelerating up a steep hill and getting to 50 in just a few seconds.
Has anybody confirmed better acceleration numbers yet?
Can someone post pictures of the different rear tire sizes?
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