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Price Gouging...

It's unfortunate Tesla has decided to price gouge us with options.

I count a typical upgrade (not even including battery) at almost $10k for a decently equipped car.

Adding Navigation (who would have a 17" screen without their Nav package).
Adding Anything from low end Microfiber.
Adding Glass Roof.

Right there You're close to 10k.

What a shame. Very disappointed.

julian;
Not certain, but the "network" should still be available, just not the supercharging DC option.

All this makes me wonder if the Model X will even have a 160-mi. option. The pressure to have a lower-cost "base model" will be less, and I think that battery size is turning out to be more troubles than it's worth to Tesla. Next year's model (?) Model S might not have it, either.

I agree that Tesla should be making money even on the base model. That's what they say, and besides, they simply have to. Still, I'm convinced that they make the lowest margin on the base model, which is another way of saying that the base model represents the best value for money proposition in the entire line-up -- assuming that your everyday driving is around, let's say, 100 miles or less.

Julian, I would recommend stretching to the 230 mile battery for the following reasons:

1. Access to supercharger.
2. Better acceleration due to the increased number of cells to draw from. (More fun!)
3. Better ride from the increased weight & low center of gravity.
4. Longer range so you can take those weekend excursion without necessarily worrying about supercharger locations.

Last and perhaps most important;

5. Greatly increased longevity of the battery! Especially since you'll be using a relatively low charge on a daily basis.

Regarding the comment on the rear facing seats. I beleive that at least for the past year most people (in the forums) were expecting this to be optional as most buyers will not need seating for 7. I think there would actually be some upset people if this were built into the price since most would opt out for credit (IMO).

True, but many, if not most, people in the forums also expected the off-line NAV to be optional as well. Expectations are not always consistent with reality.

Mycroft, it all boils down to mis(sing)information.

It is my impression that the majority of complains regarding the optional nav is not that the onboard/offline nav is optional, although the complaints are phrased that way. What they actually complain about is that without the option they seem to be left with no nav at all -- which, we assume, is wrong. There should be offboard/online nav available as standard, but we don't know for sure and an uninitiated reader can certainly not tell from looking at the "Options & Pricing" page.

Same with the second charger: The uninitiated reader must assume that without a second charger, which comes optional and at a considerable price, high-speed charging is not possible. What's painfully lacking from the "Options & Pricing" page is an explanation that Tesla's Superchargers bypass the built-in charger altogether and thus support high-speed charging without the need to pay for an optional on-board charger.

This is the assessment I am trying to communicate in this thread:
http://www.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/tesla-you-need-fight-these-fires...

You are correct as usual Volker. I think it will be some time before Tesla fills out their website though. They haven't been exactly in a hurry in that department to date.

The next website upgrade will probably be the Design Studio. Hopefully they'll fill out more information at the same time.

Well, Mycroft, it happens they released the P&O immediately before the Xmas break, so that kind of put a hitch in the timing. Though I gather it will still be a week or few before the "standard" package detail is out.

I imagine there're going to be a few post-adrenaline "crashes" when they're done with this. Whenever that might be!

My undeerstanding of price gouging is applied to something essential. While the Tesla Model S is very desirable, it is not essential. I understand that the pricing may be disappointing to some, but if you don't believe the benefits meet the costs, move on- or wait for the next generation. People who decide to buy the Model S are funding the next generation.

"People who decide to buy the Model S are funding the next generation."

That is one of the main reasons I'm buying the Model S, but since the October event, I'm so excited about the beauty, and performance of the car, that my altruistic motives have been supplanted by pure lust!

"People who decide to buy the Model S are funding the next generation."

That is one of the main reasons I'm buying the Model S, but since the October event, I'm so excited about the beauty, and performance of the car, that my altruistic motives have been supplanted by pure lust!

I'd sign that statement anytime! (And I was not even at Fremont for the October event.)


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