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Safest Way to Close the Frunk?

There's a lot of discussion about risk of damaging the hood by slamming the hood down when closing the frunk.

TM recommends two open palms evenly spaced around the center of the font edge, with a gentle but firm press.

Alternatives are discussed here, but apparently they too are vulnerable, so play it safe - avoid closing the frunk a lot, and if you need to use it, read up on what TM says about doing it right. This thread provides user experiences for additional insights into how and why it can get damaged.

I studied the frunk latch mechanism and experimented, and found what I thought was a better way (but some report problems with this too).

I use firm palm pressure at a single point directly above the latch. It can be one or two palms, but the point is for all the force to be right above the latch hardware (Caution! Latch is set back about 4-6 inches from the front edge of the hood, so don't press at the front edge or you will crease it. Owners have reported creases when doing this.

By not straddling the latch with a wide stance, the idea is to reduce the risk of uneven side forces that might tweak the aluminum hood stamping. Applying cantilevered forces perfectly in balance is hard for a human to do consistently. The single point press may be easier to do right, to prevent any tweaking torsional force (but if you are too close to the front edge, you can cause the same crease problem from front to back - so be careful).

Anybody else looked at this?

Some owners have reported creasing their hood even when carefully applying pressure at a single location directly over the latch. Others have reported creases when using two separate palm pressure points with both hands as Tesla recommends. A consensus among many owners is forming that the current frunk closing procedure is too subtle and too delicate to be consumer-grade.

Hoping that TM updates this latch setup to make it a simple auto-closing operation.

Jtodtman - I share your concern, (ergo this post). While this may be minor relative to the brilliant performance of the drivetrain, the finicky frunk closing is not OK in the steady state, especially for a premium car.

TM can't improve everything instantly, but I think we all feel this should be on the list of revisions.

@jtodtman +100

"Walk up to anybody and say you dented your car by closing the hood and they'll think you bought a cheap piece of trash. It just doesn't sit well and I sympathize with those with the problem."

@GeekEV Thanks for the upload info.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/105371379@N08/
Here is the picture of my Frunk "crease"

Shall we call it the Dummy Dent? >;p

Good news! The Rocklin service center has a line on a very talented paintless dent removal guy who is able to make these creases disappear. The guy says this is a common problem among many high end cars with aluminum hoods and that he's dealt with it many times. They had him prove it on one of their demo cars first, then set him loose on mine today. I can't even tell where it was! If you're interested in having this done, give the Rocklin service center a call and ask for Garret. He'll hook you up. A word of warning though, it's a labor intensive process and so not cheap. It'll run somewhere around $400...

@Brian,

I rather prefer to think of it as the... "Afterthought Frunk Hood Crease".

Closing the frunk with confidence I think is pretty easy, although not as easy as it could be with a finishing servo motor as in the trunk.

And beyond range anxiety hood damage is probably the one thing I worry about most, a dented frunk hood. Not good!

But I have a two handed five finger-tip closing pressure on the frunk-hood equally spaced right & left adjacent the hood latch mechanism that seems to be very effective. The force required to close the latch delivered by 10 finger tips spaced over a wide area is minimal and is working well for me.

This has been my method of closure since day one. Yes my Tesla Delivery Specialist showed my the TM preferred method but I wasn't comfortable with it.

I frequent just two car washes currently(east bay & so.bay) so far, and I make it a point of educating them on my frunk closure method most every time. So far no harm.

If this is really a serious issue, injecting some high durometer, low density ridged urethane or epoxy foam in the cavity area under the pressure point area of the hood would increase the upper hood strength by 10X with a minimal weight increase of 4-12oz. I really don't want to disassemble my hood liner to do it myself but if Tesla doesn't offer a mitigation procedure sometime soon I'll probably delve into it and will certainly report on the DIY procedure afterwards.

Does Tesla monitor this forum? Hope so!

Seems like a confusing and wordy way to describe a Dummy Dent.

@dvarien - Your technique is the one that Garret demonstrated to me when I picked my car up from service yesterday. Which is different from the one demonstrated during delivery. The only problem I see with the newer technique is that it left some noticeable fingerprints.

Why is this so hard to comprehend.

Point your fingers at the ground

Turn your palms toward the car

With your hands at body width and your body centered on the car

Press gently with the heal of your palm on the outer her few inches of the Frunk lid.

Easy, painless, gentle and causes no damage.

Future designs will likely be improved in the mean time just follow the steps above.

This is the thread that just won't die. Oops I gave it life.

With both palms. Left off an S.

@Roamer: Why is this so hard to comprehend.
I don't think it's hard to comprehend the process. I think it's hard to comprehend how is an issue that hasn't been fixed. Closing a trunk should not require special knowledge to prevent damage.

Reminds me an awful lot of the "you're holding it wrong" statement Jobs got rightly panned for. In that case at least something was done to correct the problem, even if it wasn't the fix people really wanted.

"You're closing it wrong!"

Murphy sez, "It's impossible to make anything fool-proof, because they're so ingenious."

@Giz,

Can't do much about a design improvement. That will come whenever it comes.

I can equip myself with the knowledge necessary to deal with the issue. My point is that there is a way to perform the task safely and easily that does not cause damage.

@Roamer: Presuming you're the only one who ever uses the frunk, that can work. Though that said, even some owners who "close it right" have ended up with creases, so it's not exactly a perfect process, either.

@Brian....I have always loved that quote.

Or

I know you don't agree with me. I can't force you to be right.

Roamer,

That is the exact way I was closing my frunk hood (religiously), and it has a crease now.

Mine is a Sig, and at some point, Tesla recognized the weakness, and reinforced the hood latch area (which is very obvious if you feel the difference).

If you own a MS with the older hood (like myself), customer care suggest to close your frunk-hood with your palms, using equal weight, placed at the far-corner ends on both sides of the hood.

So it's not as simple as one would think, being Tesla told all owners to close their frunk hoods incorrectly originally from day #1 (I can attest to this FACT).

@Brian,

"Dummy Dent" is only an appropriate name if the "Dummy" part is in reference to the dummy at Tesla who ok'ed the frunk-hood for final delivery, premature without any proper R&D.

Point of the post is to inform owners to be careful, and to encourage TM to revise it.

I don't believe either point is controversial now.

@Mark,

I think the 'point' has transitioned to the sure amount of unintended creases that owners have now, based on poor design, and incorrect closing instructions.

Tiki - my summary was for convenience of new readers, so they'd know the upshot of what we are discussing.

I happen to agree with your response to the "dummy" comment. It' not the user's fault.

The latch design was not to the standard of excellence of the rest of the car.

That's why I believe no one here would argue it does not need revision.

I think that I have used my frunk two or three times because it looked like it was so vulnerable to denting even with the two palm method. I find that I usually have something in my hand when wanting to using the frunk, making the frunk that much less useful and not worth bothering with.

I have a Sig and the frunk hood is not as rigid as the P85+ loaner I had for a weekend. The frunk was one of the first things I checked out on the loaner and it was improved, but not great. I thought that those of us with the problematic earlier design would get a fix from Tesla eventually. I'm sorry to hear that some Service Centers are making it looking like that may not be the case at this point. It seems like the Sig tax would cover it. ;-)

Has anyone figured out yet whether or not the frunk will be called a froot in the UK?

I saw this in another thread and just *HAD* to post it here too as it is very relevant. Do *NOT* close the frunk like this:

@GeekEV; good thing he didn't drive over the cow. Might've had a fire.

Safest way is with no fingers or other body parts in its way. Fairly simple.

Better than pressing with front hooves!

Could be an utter disaster!

R;
Udderly crushing.

A servo motor will be the best solution, aftermarket kit will sell 100% of the servos to a MS owners. Some Mercedes have servo motors for the hood.

B
Cows can't spell :-)


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