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Supercharger event September 24

http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/13/tesla-supercharger-network-september-...

Speculation?

Looking forward to concrete information...

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So what triggers the cable access door to open?

@Teoatawaki - proximity of the Tesla charging cable.

"I wonder if these stations are (or will be) wifi hotspots."

YES PLEASE! :-) Catch up on the forum while you charge up.

@ cerjor - imagine of the SC's have video cameras and smart software. Just apply a little 'zap' to the vandals and problem solved ............ :-(

One thing I would like to mention:

If people are going to use the "built into the cost of the car" for maintenance when referring to auto manufacturers that include maintenance for the duration of the warranty (i.e. BMW). Wouldn't the same logic apply, with regards to the Superchargers and them being "free." Using these Superchargers is not free in the same way that maintenance is not "free". Personally I would rather pay for charging for the once or twice a year I use these superchargers and get free maintenance than get Supercharging.

SMOP'
Irrelevant. The finances of the SC station electric use are entirely in the hands of Solar City. They charge the cars from the grid and pay the bill. They sell the power they make from their solar panels to the utility. They size the solar panelling (across the network, not on a station-by-station basis) to reliably provide more power than the chargers use. They make a profit.

TM has nothing to do with those transactions. The power is indeed "free" to Model S owners.

P.S.
Even the cost of the installation of the chargers is "free", really. Elon says that volume production of chargers has made them cheap to make, and the stations are thus inexpensive to erect. And it comes out of the marketing budget, which is standard corporate overhead. TM is just beginning to make marketing expenditures, and this is a superbly chosen one; for a very modest one-time expenditure, TM gets long-term (permanent) promotion (both the perceived benefit, and the "spires").

jat,

Thanks for the answer, but sadly not to the question I was asking.

@PilotWorks
As for guarding/securing the charging cable, the juice cable has a semi-circular door, like the door to the 'Orgasmatron' in Woody Allen's movie "Sleeper", albeit only an aproximate 5" diameter to cover the cable.
All very Tomorrowland, architecturally.

I wanted to know what triggered the 'Orgasmatron' style door to access the charging cable.

Brian H

Solar City did not design the Supercharging system. They may build it by the R&D was done by Tesla.

SMOP,
I think what Brian was trying to say is the chargers come out of the marketing budget. It seems logical to me since they say TESLA all over them and they are large and people will see them. If they fall well within the operating costs of marketing then they don't add any cost to the car for me that would not already be there.

You do agree Telsa will have a marketing budget?
You do agree that it could include billboards or in this case superchargers.
Or do you think Tesla should not have a marketing budget or Tesla should have a marketing budget much smaller than any other car manufacturer?

I can see your argument that is coming, which is BMW just lumps the maintenance costs into their marketing budget. :-)

We will have to see how the numbers come out I guess.

Tesla has always had a marketing budget, I do not think that 100% of the costs come from the marketing budget (link?). The R&D for Superchargers (probably the most expensive part) is amortized over the cost of the production run of the Model S. Right now we know that the Model S was built from the ground up to utilize Supercharging (R&D). The marketing department probably had a hand in making these stations eye-catching and free. These stations may be "free" to operate but this viewpoint does not take into consideration the tremendous cost, with regards to engineering the superchargers. That would be like saying the marketing department designed the Model S Signature cluster, since it displays virtual signature badges.

One of the obvious reasons for Tesla not to allow supercharging of the 40 kWh packs is they would have to space the superchargers much closer, thus hugely increasing the number of stations and cost. The 3 stations between LA and SF, are too far a part for the 40 kWh versions to go from one station to the next. People would be quick to slam Tesla for this sadist plan...

From a user point of view, does it really matter who did the R&D and who actually owns the superchargers? It's a family affair between Tesla and Solar City. For all we know, Solar City may actually own the superchargers and lease them to Tesla.

From a user point of view nothing with regards to the development costs/schedule etc of a vehicle matters. I am merely stating that the price of these "free" superchargers is built into the cost of the Model S. Much like "free" maintenance being built into the cost of a BMW.

@PilotWorks Thanks for the info. That helps a lot. I am looking forward to trying one of these SCs out soon but it's nice to have some first hand info. I suppose the sliding door cover at least provides some level of security.

Hopefully we will soon learn how to open the door, actual locations of stations and when we can start using them. The nearest one to me is Gilroy but Folsom and Harris Ranch are probably the most useful for me. I like the idea of trying the Gilroy one so I know how it works before I have to actually rely on it to make it home.

SMOP;
What design? The SC units consist of ganged chargers, which Elon said had become very cheap to make, at the margin, because of economies of scale.

Brian H,

The oblesik sign/enclosure, the googie architecture of the EVSE carports, other signage etc. These are not normal looking EVSE's. The look and feel of these stations were designed to represent the Tesla brand and complement marketing goals. If engineers were in charge of the design we would see something that looked like a larger version of a ClipperCreek EVSE. Engineers developed the technology and the marketing gurus designed the packaging.

Signage is NBD as an expense. Not pertinent to the overall economics.

Sudre posted this in another thread, but thought it should go here also...

http://www.plugincars.com/inside-scoop-tesla-super-smart-supercharger-ne...

It looks like some locations will have stationary storage, but every station will have at least 120 kW grid connection which they believe is enough to charge two cars simultaneously.

I like that they are using one piece of charging hardware and multiple "connections". This will at least allow for queueing of vehicles without coming out to your car once a "connection" is available.

Thanks kalikgod. I could not figure out which one of the half dozen SC threads was the appropriate one.

Spent about an hour chatting with George Blankenship tonight at the Miami store opening along with Larry Chanin and a few of the other Florida Tesla owners and res holders.

One of the many interesting things he said was "do NOT try and figure out charging station locations by looking at the maps we showed at the announcement event. They are random locations put there by our web guy to give customers an idea how many it would take to cover the US."

In reality Tesla is very actively seeking locations, and are ready to build chargers as fast as they can get locations. They have a team planning out the location sites. Currently they are demand constrained - they have more capability to build stations than they have approved locations to put them in. They also expect to build stations much faster than they originally suggested.

Awww! Don't say so. You'll put all those hand magnifiers out of business!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the update any how.

Spare SC hardware looking for a home, or homes!

Bumping this up.

Here is a bit of Supecharger history. Last year when we first heard about the Superchargers we were shocked and grateful that access would be free.

The contrast between then and now is interesting.


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