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Supercharging Hidden Charge for 60 kWh S's?

I found some red flags in the press release and Elon's presentation on the Supercharger. The question that is raised is this: Is the Supercharger hardware included in the price of the 60 kWh cars or not?

The press release has a footnote that says, " Supercharging hardware is standard on Model S vehicles equipped with an 85kWh battery and optional on Model S vehicles equipped with a 60 kWh battery." To read it yourself go to the press release and find the footnote about mid-page, just above the "About Model S" subheading. The link is:

In his presentation at the event Elon said, "For cars that have supercharger hardware installed, and that will be the case for the 85 kWh pack, and a small incremental charge for 60 kWh pack you'll be able to travel for free..."

Here's the link to the video. The quote starts at about 7'50" into the video:

I just signed my contract for a 60 kWh S yesterday, and I was counting on being able to take long trips that use the Supercharger. I hope that I misheard and misread. My Tesla configuration rep. is looking into the discrepancy, as it didn't make sense to him either.

By the way, I have strong confidence in Tesla and bought my first TSLA stock on today's dip.

Stu B

@jkirkebo | OCTOBER 6, 2012: The 40kWh Model S would take forever, having to charge at 3.7kW for at least 5 hours en route.

I don't know what charging stations you have there (maybe only CHAdeMO), but the 40kWh Model S can be configured with twin chargers and charge at 20kW.

At this point the only common charging points here are either CHAdeMO or 16A 230V sockets (3.7kW). Well, we do have some 32A three-phase 400V sockets (22kW, either CEE or Mennekes) too, at a staggering total of three locations in the whole country ;)

Sudre_ | OCTOBER 6, 2012

...WE don't think so because WE really want to push EVs. We already know we are paying a little EV extra and except that to get the movement going.

Your assumption is incorrect.

I couldn't care less about EVs or any such movement. I'm buying the car because it's better. It offers me better convenience - I don't ever have to stop and "fill up" again, unless I'm on a long road trip. It offers me a quiet ride unlike any other. It performs better than anything I'd get for comparable money (taking lifetime gasoline costs into account). It has more storage and comfortable seating for 5 (or even 7 with the jump seats). It should be better in reliability since it has so many fewer moving parts and is fundamentally simpler in design. It is beautiful (unlike, IMO, the butt-ugly Leaf or most other freaky-looking EVs).

I'm not convinced transitioning to EVs is in any way better for the environment, will bring peace on earth or any other such BS. Maybe it is, but that possibility would not be enough to make me pay a dime extra for the car.

The reason Tesla will succeed where other EV manufacturers won't is because the car actually is better and people "outside the church" will buy it. If your business model is to get a small, fringe group of people to pay more for a car based on "eco feel-goodness", and have the other 99% of the public ignore it because it's not as good as the alternatives, you're doomed to fail. That appears to be the business model for Nissan and every other EV maker until now.

So despite being extremely under-represented on these forums, Tesla is going to succeed because the Model S appeals to people like me.

tesla.mrspaghet... +1 an all points. It just is better.

virtualarry | OCTOBER 6, 2012
Hmmm now I can decide 60 or 80?

Only 8k diff. I have not signed contract yet but ordered the 60.

If you can afford the 85kwh battery, I think it's a no-brainer.

Wow. Just coming back from a well earned vacation to see flury of bad reactions over the $2K SC H/W, S/W and access fees for 60kWh.

Somebody asked when the website was first shown with "Hardware included" on the 60kWh pack. It was August 10th. Following that update, I created a post "Supercharger hardware for 60kWh pack included. Thanks TM!"... Lots of people reacted positively at the time just to be heavily deceived with the latest pricing announcement and change in the hardware inclusion. Personnally, it only makes my decision easier not to get SC option.

Moreover, I am still on the fence about the SC announcement anyway. Think it was a non-announcment for a lot of the reservation holders as SCs won't be installed in many regions until 5-6 years if ever. Living in Montreal, Canada, i am far than convinced SC will make it to the Quebec-Montreal-Ottawa-Toronto-Boston-NewYork corridors.

There are two planned for that corridor by the end of 2013. More later.

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