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Tesla Personal Delivery thoughts

This thread could be a place to share thoughts and ideas about what we hope Tesla Personal Delivery could be. How about:

(a) delivered with license plate(s) or temporary sticker? Will the front license plate be installed (or not, as "would make us smile") as part of the TPD?

(b) how large a fleet of delivery trailers they will need? Could be quite a few if most of the 2012 5k/ 2013 20k owners choose TPD. The logistics here seem significant.

(c) how long would you expect to spend on your TPD? Training for the owner and spouse, obviously. Who else?

(d) where would you have your TPD that would "make you smile"?

@Mike_ModelS_P457, a few others might be

Fisker Karma dealership

That one Overpriced Gas Station (we all know of one I think)

Any Big Oil Headquarters

Your State Capital (that is a statement there)

One of Mitt Romney's Bus Stops (to remind people we need to stop funding big oil as he plans to do more of and leave Tesla Motors alone about their government loan as they are doing their part and are an example of a responsible business)

At the office would be fun too however, if it was coming during the summer schedule and I work at a school, I would organize a big BBQ and make an event of it (since more then half (if not all by the time I get the car) of my co-workers have already hit me up for rides)

Sorry, went crazy with the ")" :))

Wherever makes you smile....

I'm volunteering at a camp near Ellensburg, WA this week. I'll also be here for a week in August and a long weekend too. It'd be awesome to get the car here and they have 30A hookups for charging. Because Lazy F camp is a place that definitely makes me smile!

Sadly, it looks like it will be in September when I finally get delivery.

I'm torn between Sindelfingen, Munich and Zuffenhausen. Since those three locations are only 160 miles apart, I may actually be able to do all three of them in course of the "training".

Nah... I'll probably keep that trip as an invited ride for some journalist who could then do an interview with some representative at each stop. Yes, that will be fun! :-)

[If you are a journalist, apply now.]

@danyte

I was told during the Washington test drive event that the cars will be delivered with a 50% charge. The cars delivered at the factory might get a full charge because there isn't transport and storage to consider.

I was considering getting the car delivered to a family member's driveway, but if it really at a 50% charge that will mean having to stay longer (after some demo drives) because they only have 110 volt outlets that the car could reach.

Just visit the nearest 30 or 50A socket. Check one of the plug apps for one nearby your relatives.

That doesn't make any sense to me. Why on earth wouldn't they deliver it with a full charge? It's annoying enough to have to plug in your new (insert random battery operated device here) over night before you can play with it, but a new Model S? You've got to be kidding me.

I am sure that the most they would charge it to would be the normal range 80% due to battery life issue. Maybe they are taking the safe route and expecting some drop in charge by the time it gets delivered so instead of disappointing people expecting a full charge you will be surprised when it arrives with a 70-75% charge.

Theresa +1, exactly my thoughts.

"Even if your Model S is fully loaded, it won't be fully charged..." ;-) SCNR

Brian,

Presumably an allowance for middle-man trade in profit is part of the Model S' price.

I would expect the Model S to be delivered on the back of a flat bed car carrier. Otherwise, the car will no longer be "new". It should have very few miles on it. So, I'd expect a close to full charge from the factory.

So how much gasoline comes in your ICE car when you buy it new? I bet it isn't more than half a tank and probably less than that.

I'm expecting an enclosed car transport trailer to my individual delivery location. I'd expect a bulk car carrier to transport a batch of cars from the factory to the local area before sending each one with a delivery specialist. As lithium batteries are generally transported with a 50% charge, that's about what I'd expect upon delivery. The absolute LAST thing they want to do is deliver a car with either full or near empty SoC, as that could degrade the battery pack

I think it's simply a matter of physics. Lithium ion batteries maintain their charge best when about half full. So if it's going to be unplugged for an unknown amount of time, better to leave it in that state.

http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_store_batteries/

Teoatawki beat me to it!

jerry3 | July 17, 2012
Brian,
Presumably an allowance for middle-man trade in profit is part of the Model S' price.

No chance! What about the buyers without a trade-in? Is there a trade-in-middleman-allowance in their purchase price, too? LOL

"I would expect the Model S to be delivered on the back of a flat bed car carrier. Otherwise, the car will no longer be "new". It should have very few miles on it." (dahtye)

Depends on your definition of 'new'. This article (http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120622/OEM05/120629...) makes reference to a statement from Gilbert Passin, Vice President, Manufacturing, that "Each vehicle currently undergoes a 100-mile test by Tesla engineers after it leaves the assembly line". 100 miles seems a bit excessive to me, but if that amount of QA guarantees me a worry free car for years to come, I'm willing to live with it. I'm hoping they are just being overly cautious with the first deliveries and future road testing will be shorter.

It could be that they do all this testing before they engage the Odometer (or they zero out the odo just prior to delivery). I would expect some amount of testing to be done and I'd rather have more testing than less.

Regarding my earlier post and 100% charge....
I live in the SF bay area - very close to Fremont (about 20 minutes across a bridge without traffic). My thought was they would charge it fully, then put it on a truck for personal delivery (within a day or two of charging). In other instances such as the east coast where travel distance will take days or weeks, I could understand the 50% charge. I guess I'm "hoping" I get a full charge at delivery.

The Toyota sale rep put in a full tank of gas in my Prius before he handed me the keys.

Tesla Motors says it's not good for the battery to keep it at 100% for any significant time.

If I lived next door to the factory, I would be pretty upset if they fully charged the battery before delivery. I'll spring for the pennies it would cost to bring it up to 80-90% or whatever the car thinks is right.

From the facts page: "Tesla recommends plugging your Model S in each night or when convenient to maintain optimum driving range and battery health." "The Tesla battery is optimized for nightly charging: such topping off enhances the longevity of your battery." Don't know what percentage of charge 'topped off' represents, but I would like my S delivered topped off. That would at least be consistent with what most ICE dealers do for their new car purchase customers.

+1 stevenmaifert
I didn't mean to start a pissing match about what "fully charged" actually means. I'm pretty sure I'm going to want to drive my Model S the day they deliver it, not park it and wait til the next day.

In the Tesla article, I'm sure they were referring to "standard" charge, not "range" mode charge.

Will your Model S be delivered with full charge? You must definitely need that if you're on vacation and plan to drive it back home.

@foto: Will your Model S be delivered with full charge? You must definitely need that if you're on vacation and plan to drive it back home.

The same day as you get it? Wait till the next day. Even on 110V 24 hours will get you from 50% to a full standard charge. Roughly 12 hours on a level 2 charger will get you to full range.

@Teotawki, different people have different plans. I might just plan on my delivery hours before I head home. On the other hand, even it was days before the end of my vacation, I might need to drive it around town and not have the 12 hours and supercharging might not be available.

BTW, I don't plan to have delivery during a vacation as I can never anticipate what could go wrong with a car that I'm not used to yet.

Not trying to pick on you, foto! Just trying to point out the options, as it is unlikely cars will be delivered with a full charge. At most, a full standard charge.

Not to say it wouldn't be nice if when contacted by your delivery specialist, you could specify a desired level of charge..

I think full standard charge, not full "range" charge, is what people are asking for.

This is a great discussion regarding "full standard charge" versus "full range charge". Is there somewhere on the Tesla site that talks about this feature, how it works, and its benefits? I wasn't aware of this until this discussion...but it does make sense to have this available since most people really don't need the full range on a daily basis and it is clear from discussions that keeping the battery at full charge on a daily basis is not good for the life of the battery. Thanks!

There is but it's in the Roadster section--also in the Telsa Blogs from a couple of months ago. The title in the Tesla blogs is "Plug it in".

1. Basically you almost always want to do a standard charge every day.

2. If you will be needing the range that the range charge gives you, then you charge it so that it will finish charging close to the time you are going to start driving.

3. You never want to do a range charge and then let it sit.


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