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When will Model S 2.0 be unveiled?

I know; I know! Tesla has only just started delivering Model S 1.0, and Elon stated that there were a few tweaks to be made, but that there would be no major changes. This got me to wondering when and if the Model S would have a more or less yearly new model to roll out. 2013...2014 model S? This is when we might see huge differences with the battery pack,those darned cup holders,interior finishes and exterior color choices. I also wonder this because it sounds like they are "done" with the Roadster. Why not have new and improved models of the car? Instead, when they sell out of these there will be no more.(?) Seems like a shame.

bsimoes;
There will be a new Roadster, entirely in-house developed and built, based on the GenIII platform, probably around 2016. At one point it was thought it would precede the GenIII, but it now will be deferred (actually, a more ambitious plan, since the GenIII is the next major market and revenue initiative after the Model S.)

Not to minimize the effort involved, but with a skateboard, its down to body design. Want a light truck? Shazam! Cabriolet? No problem. Personaly, would like to see a hard top convertable similar to the Volvo c70 built on the S platform. By getting rid of the ice, their designers have very few design constraints.

Wasn't the Roadster also discontinued for in house design to get away from using Lotus Licensing?

AFAIK, the primary reason why the Roadster is discontinued is that Lotus was building the "gliders" (chassis without drive train) and the gliders were based on the Elise. That particular Elise model is discontinued and therefore Lotus cannot reasonably build any more Roadster gliders.

"There will be a new Roadster, entirely in-house developed and built, based on the GenIII platform."

Last I checked, this was merely conjecture -- the which-chassis-next-Roadster-will-be-built-on part. Was there official word from Tesla confirming it?

brianman, check the Q1 2012 investors' Q&A. IIRC, in that call Elon confirmed that a) GenIII and Roadster 3.0 are going to share the same platform (skateboard like the Model S, but smaller) and b) that GenIII (i.e., 3-series competitor) will be the first product to be delivered based on that platform, with the Roadster following next.

Volker,

The Roadster was a proof of concept vehicle and was always intended to be a limited production vehicle. When the quantity they contracted for with Lotus was built that was it. I don't think they stopped because the couldn't get more. They stopped because that was the original plan, and focus naturally shifted to the Model S.

As far as a Model S, 2.0 vehicle, I think that might happen about the time they introduce the Model X.
Just as everything that was learned from the Roadster was incorporated into the Model S, what they learn from the Model S will be incorporated into the Model X. Therefore it would be a good time to simultaneously update the Model S.

@Volker - I don't recall that, and I'm not seeing ithere.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/576141-tesla-motors-ceo-discusses-q1-201...

it* here*

Sorry. It was Q4 2011. Time's fleeting! ;-)
http://seekingalpha.com/article/370491-tesla-motors-ceo-discusses-4q2011...

Elon: "We are going to do at the next significant vehicle -- the next major big announcement after Model X will be a Gen III. And I made (inaudible) to some of the media, but (inaudible) reaffirming that. Previously we were going to do a next-generation Roadster after Model X, but I'm absolute -- gained enough confidence that the technology will be scalable to higher volumes but maybe a bit [thinner]. And so we’ll be able to go to our third-generation (inaudible) pricing kind of $30,000 range."

Dan Galves – Deutsche Bank: "[...] I guess my real question is, would you have the capacity with your current R&D staff to begin work on a Gen III vehicle let’s say by early 2013 after the Model S is fully launched?"

Elon: "Yes, I think so. That’s the plan of action exactly."

This is the same as discussing the Iphone 6 ... when Iphone 5 has yet to arrive ...

I may not be around in 2014, so I'll take 1.0 for now.

The Roadster was a proof of concept vehicle and was always intended to be a limited production vehicle. When the quantity they contracted for with Lotus was built that was it. I don't think they stopped because the couldn't get more. They stopped because that was the original plan [...] (GoTeslaChicago)

Well, that's really just guesswork on your part as well as it is on mine. Of course it was known from the beginning that Lotus was only going to build those gliders as long as they were building that very generation of the Elise chassis. Therefore, Tesla could as well just announce the Roadster as a limited edition. At the same time, if would actually have been hard to sell significantly more than they did. It took four years to sell 2,000+ units, and the last couple hundred units are still kind of sitting in the shelves. On top, the margin on the Roadster is rather thin. In that situation, I would also declare that a limited edition collectors item -- which it is, intentional or not, and which might help to sell the remaining inventory.

Assuming that they could get as many gliders from Lotus as they want, at reasonable cost, and demand was there and the margin was reasonable, why would they stop it at this point in time? When it's at least 4 years until the next generation will be available? Why wouldn't they sell a "limited edition" of 3k, 4k, 5k?

IMO, it's futile to discuss which if the reasons I mentioned (possibly more) was "the" reason for making the Roadster a limited edition item at 2.5 units and terminate production this year.

"2.5k"

I can't find the reference right now, but Tesla originally contracted with Lotus for 2000 gliders, but later extended that to 2500.

I must be blind. I still don't see in that quote where it says that BlueStar and RoadsterNext will share the same chassis.

I concur with the theory, but I still don't see Tesla confirming it anywhere.

According to a Tesla engineer I talked with don't expect any revisions any time soon. He said maybe 5 years.

brianman, there are lots of sources:
http://www.google.de/search?q=tesla+third+generation+platform+roadster

I suggest you start digging there until you find a quote that is sufficiently authoritative for your purpose.

I can't find the reference right now, but Tesla originally contracted with Lotus for 2000 gliders, but later extended that to 2500. (Teoatawki)

Actually, digging the web you can find that they originally contracted for just 1700 gliders from Lotus, dating back to 2005 and expiring 2011.
http://lotusenthusiast.net/2010/01/lotus-to-end-production-of-tesla-road...

The Roadster was a proof of concept vehicle and was always intended to be a limited production vehicle. When the quantity they contracted for with Lotus was built that was it. I don't think they stopped because the couldn't get more. They stopped because that was the original plan [...] (GoTeslaChicago)

In this NYT article Tesla is quoted in relatively clear language, stating that they will sell the Roadster until they run out of gliders. Hence my implication above that the termination of the Roadster at this point in time was directly linked to Lotus no longer being able to produce the gliders:

In its most recent annual report Tesla said it intended to sell the current version of the Roadster only until its supply of “gliders” — essentially, the shell of the car — runs out, perhaps early next year.

[...] For the Roadster, Tesla has obtained gliders from Lotus of Britain, which uses the same body for its Elise sports car. But Lotus is retooling for a new Elise, and Tesla’s contract for 2,400 gliders expires at the end of this year.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/08/automobiles/08TESLA.html

Sigh @ Volker.Berlin

So you provided a quote to back up an assertion. I point out that the quote doesn't do that. Then you go tell me to web surf in response. Interesting way you not prove an assertion by deflection. You must be running for politics.

Everyone take a deep breath .... now back to the topic:

My guess is S2.0 in no less than 2 yrs and no more than 4yrs ... so It must be 3 yrs!

bshortell and joefiorelli--Thanks; I was just wondering and thought that I'd throw it out there!

I guess post gen III, and roadster II.

Its important not to canabilize sales.

Then you go tell me to web surf in response. Interesting way you not prove an assertion by deflection. You must be running for politics. (brianman)

I'm not running for politics but I do have a day job. And that does not include digging out quotes to prove things you want me prove. As far as I'm concerned, it has been said and I cannot find a quote but my memory of having heard or read the fact in question (just in case you don't remember: whether or not Gen III and Roadster 3 share the same platform) is good enough for me. If it isn't good enough for you, it's up to you to find better sources. I just don't feel that being my responsibility (unless we talk about billable hours).

@Volker.Berlin

Sigh.

Me: "Where did they say X?"
A: "Here (link)."
Me: "I don't see it."
A: "Here (link)."
Me: "I still don't see it."
A: "Oh, both were wrong. Do a web search."

If I ask a question, you don't have to answer it. But if you choose to answer it, try actually answering it.

What a wasted exchange.

This sounds an awful lot like talking to my ex.....

stop this crap; you 2 normally have really good contributions.

Check out the clay model @ 01:22 of Tesla career video. Is that Gen 3?

bsimoes .

I suspect they will announce “S 2.0” the day after you and I get our “S.”

Check out the clay model @ 01:22 of Tesla career video. Is that Gen 3? (jackhub)

Interesting find, thank you for pointing it out! The video is here:
http://vimeo.com/15411923#t=83

I agree, that looks like a smaller version of the Model S, which is how Elon describes the upcoming $30k "Gen III" vehicle. Congrats for the first sighting!


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