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Where are the charging stations?

It seems a good time, since the Model S is being released, to comminicate about new charging station. There are only level 2 's around Chicago, but not many. By Gurnee Mills Mall, and some of our Walgreens and Walgreens corporate here. There are more popping up in some garages in the city. It has begun....

In the General topic forum there is a topic about the charging apps for smart phones. I use Recargo . It shows all the charging locations. Plugshare is another good one.

Recargo, plugshare, blink, 350green, mychargepoint.net, etc. I'll give you that there are not many charging stations near Gurnee Mills, but in the entire Chicago metro area I think there are a couple hundred. Anyway, the vast majority of charging will be done in your garage. There are also RV parks, most of which have 50-amp service.

For a quick & dirty map, type "EV charging stations" in google maps.

My perspective on the Model S is that I'll only need to know about charging stations in areas nowhere near home and therefore unfamiliar.

So I downloaded and tried out Recargo and Plugshare to check out places I might need to charge. They are solid apps and surprised me re: how many charging areas are available.

Thanks! Plug share is great! So many stations. I see 100 around sf area alone.

I downloaded recargo last night.

IT still makes me sad to select the Tesla charger only in Recargo and see none within 300 miles of me. Can't wait to see the exciting updates on that.

Charging stations will change my shopping and entertainment habits. For example, near where I live, there is a place where my wife and I take music lessons, a resturant across the street, and a stage theater next door. On the other side of that is a commercial building that uses its lot for paid parking, but has installed two level 2 chargers. Free parking for EVs, and free charging. So every week as we dine and play or see a play, we'll plug in. We liked the places anyway, but the deal is sealed now for sure. We'll be doing a large part of our selection of where we go based on those options in the future, I expect.

Any good app that can be run on ordinary PC? Could use it to plan future trips (and see if there is any in Finland).

@jbunn;
That's the "hook" that will entice more and more places to install them. I believe the industry buzz phrase is "customer loyalty incentives".

Our Walgreens in Highland Park charged $3.00 for one hour of charge for my Volt. I got 10 miles for that; I hope they lower the price or I won't use them anymore. That is like $9.00 a gallon for the same energy of gasoline at 30 miles per gallon.

Not trying to sound obnoxious but that's why I don't think plug in hybrids are going to work. Charging stations are going to add cost to cover overhead so you have to buy gas and electricity. It just doesn't add up to me. Once you get your S you can skip those annoying high charge prices and only have to spend it on long road trips when you can't find a free charger.

Oh. . .. if you use one of the apps mentioned above please comment on the annoying high cost so others know without having to stop. I know Recargo has a comment sections.

Plug share also encourages comments

I have installed two level 2 chargers and one level 3 chargers in my parking lot. They should be live on Monday 8/13/12. It was a joint effort between my company, PGE, Ecotality (Blink) and myself. Charging is not free. Blink charges to use the terminals. They charge by the kw. I am a small business owner and I can tell you that it took all parties involved to get these installed. They are very expensive (approx 100k) and the electricity while at only .11/ kw it will add up over time. While everyone loves something for free, I ask you to not forget that someone has to pay for everything. Try to think of it as an ATM. You can use your banks ATM for free, or you can use any other for a small fee. What you are paying for is convenience.

Etographer;
I take it you are not a "retail" company, so have little or no incentive to get reasonably flush random public to saunter and hang about the premises. This is not the case for shopping malls, restaurants, hotels, etc. It is readily justifiable for them to make the charging "free", either as part of their marketing budgets or better described as "included" in room charges, etc.

If you have no promotional or other indirect or direct benefit from having the stations there, perhaps you are not really a suitable location. Certainly, the likelihood of your paying off those $100K costs in the foreseeable future seems to be a vain expectation.

As for "Blink", I don't think they're going to see many Tesla owners as subscribers. A very poor fit, actually.

Billing more per mile than gas is my only complaint. I know they are expensive but people will not use electric if they can buy gas cheaper. It also depends on the charge rate. 99% of the chargers I have looked at are 208 volt 30amp that is WAY to low and at the price Andrew was billed per hour was way too expensive.
At that low voltage it is a useless charger for road trip travelers.
At that high price it is useless for local top offs.

Why spend the money to install when people are going to learn not to use them?

On another note. I think the networks gives discounts if you join their service. I would rather just see these chargers go away and vendors install 14-50 outlets. Get these car manufacturers to start selling something like Tesla's setup, easy and can be used on existing infrastructure. There is no reason for these special chargers except for the DC quick chargers (~480 volt 50 to 100 amp)

@BrianH - in previous posts, @Etographer posted details about his restaurant and why that location was chosen by PGE. In fact I've been a customer at his restaurant and agree it is a good location when heading to Central Oregon from Portland.

In fact I buy gas for my ICE a block from his restaurant. As I recall that is not free either.

You are welcome to your opinion but there are other views. Perhaps tone down your voice a bit.

Sundre, you hit it out of the park...

ATTENTION CANADIANS: www.plugndriveontario.ca has a map showing current charging stations throughout Canada. I wonder if a cross Canada trip is possible with the 85kw battery pack.

pilotSteve | August 12, 2012
@BrianH - in previous posts, @Etographer posted details about his restaurant and why that location was chosen by PGE. In fact I've been a customer at his restaurant and agree it is a good location when heading to Central Oregon from Portland.

Ah, yes. Restaurant. I all comes back to me now! ... Sorry.

But -- it could/should be a more or less self-financing attraction once the slope of EV buyers picks up. It's common for retail establishments to, e.g., offer parking vouchers for customers at nearby lots with whom they have an arrangement. Something similar should be possible here.
Note Sudre's response to being charged more than a gasser would require on a mileage equivalent basis. That's galling to an EV-er!! Not a big promotional positive, IOW. People may well end up going elsewhere to avoid such "convenience" charges ...

typo: It all comes back...

Etographer gave a description of his place once. I think I ate there about 3 years ago, driving to CA from WA. Good lunch, thanks.

Bellevue Square chargers are 90 cents per hour. That would recover about 20 miles, which is worth plugging. About 1/4th price of gas for my ice. Wifes work is 50 cents. Thats a good deal, and coveres their power cost and is close to residental pricing. 3 bucks per hour is still cheaper than gas, but I would pass if possible.

Looked at Blink. Sounds like maybe $1.50/hr or so to for Level 3 (DC) charge. Not too bad. I wholeheartedly agree that $3/hr for 30 miles charge is too expensive.

As a late-night home appliance retailer (Tom Perterson's, who ended up in bankruptcy) used to advertise: "Free is a VERY good price" :)

pilot;
Free is of course impossible, in the big picture. I much prefer "included" where appropriate, which is usually. "No extra charge" comes close.

Just bear in mind that most of the charging stations being built are really not-applicable to the Tesla owner. Not because the Model S can't use them, but because in most cases the Model S won't need to as a day's city driving can easily be done without needing a charge away from home.

The only times you should need to do an outside charge (in most cases) are on trips. So the chargers in hotels and B&Bs are applicable along with RV parks with 50 amp plugs (which aren't shown on the charging station apps, but are shown on the RV apps), and superchargers.

@jerry3: per you comment "The only times you should need to do an outside charge (in most cases) are on trips. So the chargers in hotels and B&Bs are applicable..." -- that is exactly what @etographer's site will serve for me when I drive to Bend Oregon (170 miles each way). So stoping for a nice meal on the way back and gaining 60 miles is just right.

The bigger issue is how these various charging standards (CHAdMO, Level2, Level3) will be best used with the Model S. Early standards are just "a nail in the wall" of available possibilities. Unless Tesla puts Superchargers in almost every Walmart [a possibility IMO] we will need 3rd party or Tesla solutions to make the best use out of these first generation standards.

"Standards: I love 'em. There are so many to choose from"!

-- that is exactly what @etographer's site will serve for me when I drive to Bend Oregon

Quite right. I was referring to the 30 amp ones in office buildings and most retail stores. I'm assuming that the typical trip is of the "drive somewhere and stay overnight" variety. In that case the most convenient place for charging is at the place where you are staying.

Superchargers are most useful in between destinations. For example, if you are driving from Dallas to Lincoln the most useful supercharger locations would be in Stillwater, OK and Junction City, KS. At the destination, the RV plug at the B&B would be fine.

pilotSteve | August 12, 2012
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The bigger issue is how these various charging standards (CHAdMO, Level2, Level3) will be best used with the Model S. Early standards are just "a nail in the wall" of available possibilities. Unless Tesla puts Superchargers in almost every Walmart [a possibility IMO] we will need 3rd party or Tesla solutions to make the best use out of these first generation standards.
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"Standards: I love 'em. There are so many to choose from"!

Elon's summary. 'Yes there are new industry standards (for fast charging). They suck.'

So TM Superchargers are way more potent! And the connectors are smaller and cuter.
;)

Andrew18 - the fee from Walgreens seems unreasonable. There are a few Walgreens and other charging station sponsors around me that don't cost a penny to charge. I'm in Riverside.


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