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Apple IPhone "Carplay" Announcement -- Thoughts for Tesla Interface?

http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/03/03/apple-to-bring-iphone-software-to...
OK, anyone hear anything or have thoughts about Tesla jumping on this bandwagon? Tesla is not mentioned in this blog post, unfortunately. Basically, this involves the ability to more seamlessly integrate your iPhone with the MS screen, showing your iPhone screen and closer feature functionality on the MS -- the holy grail, for many of us.
Short of full-fledged Apple Carplay integration with the MS, what are the iPhone features we'd like the MS to replicate the most?

One can only hope tesla jumps in.
Siri would be wonderful to have. The tesla voice recognition is really poor.

The Tesla voice recognition works 90% of the time with my commands. I am continually shocked at how well it works.

Always questionable, in my opinion.

I'm a big Apple fan, and I realize that a car manufacturer designing their own software for their car is an expensive concept - but jumping on someone else's offer may be lucrative.

But... the downside...

A car should last 5 - 10 years. (Let alone becoming a classic 30 - 40 years later).

IOS in 10 years ?? And to tie to iPhones only ?? Where will iPhones be in 10 years - 5 years - 2 years?

Software that is amazing today will look archaic in very short time.

Tough decision

I would assume that carplay could be added as an app to the MS, just like the Google version could. No need to tie the MS to one mobile OS. (unless Apple would require it)

I would rather see something like MHL used. This would allow almost endless life. It is like having an HDMI plug for your car. Displays your smartphone apps and nav on your cars display. No need to build it in.

I could see this as a half screen display option on the current Tesla screen.

The link is a Sony add for one of their car stereos that support this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvnoeuKQN3U

Siri via bluetooth hands free in the Model S is totally unusable. Siri's voice volume is very low over the car's speakers and she cannot understand anything that I say. Absolutely nothing. The car's voice recognition works almost flawlessly.

In order to use Siri in the Model S, I have to decouple it from the hands free and speak into the phone.

@AR
You must have a problem somewhere.

Siri works fine on my iPhone 5 over BT. The volume is great over the speakers.

There is nothing that says a carmaker can't support CarPlay and the Android feature when it comes. Mercedes is apparently doing that very thing.

@hsadler: I would not be worried about iOS longevity - iOS is already almost 7 years old and with 700M units sold that remains a lucrative market and Apple is not going belly-up anytime soon

@PaceyWhitter: Agree, would like to see some kind of modular approach where drivers can pick iOS, Android, MSFT, etc

O

@omarsultan
'I would not be worried about iOS longevity'

Not worried, but unfortunately, I guarantee it.

Something better, latest or greatest will come along - it's what we have come to expect. (7 years old, - but cannot use the most recent on my iPhone 2)

I would hate to see them implement a product that would work with such a small subset of phones. Even with Apple's numbers, this will only work with iPhone 5 and above. Thats an extremely small amount of phones when compared to what is in use.

As a music geek it pains me that Tesla has no iPod interface. I can only hope Elon is working on some version of Carplay, whether it is proprietary or in tandem with another tech firm. Is there anything more exhilarating than driving your favorite car with the windows down, music cranked up to 10?!

@ GaryREM - I suspect it's the iPhone 4S.

I think Tesla voice recognition is wayyyy better than Siri.

@hsadler:

It seems to me that Apple does a better job than most - iOS7 support extends back to the iPhone 4 (June 2010) and the older version still happily run iOS6. That being said, I was not talking about HW support--no OS is infinitely backward compatible otherwise you would never see any new features. I actually meant app compatibility, since I assume Telsa is not going to adopt iOS but that they may give us a mechanism to hook into CarPlay. iOS as an ecosystem will be around for a while.

BTW, we current owners should get use to the idea that at some point there are going to be native Tesla apps or MS features that are beyond the capabilities of our current HW.

O

I'm a prospective buyer, and am wondering about the potential for upgrades to Teslas. They advertise the software as being upgradeable (which adding CarPlay seems to me like a mostly software upgrade - unless Apple requires some sort of authentication chip), but has there been any indication from Tesla on the possibilities of hardware upgrades? Obviously nothing to do with the drivetrain, but if I purchase a Tesla, it's something I'd want to own for a very long time, and being able to replace the control board or whatever Tesla calls it, if necessary, would go a long ways towards comforting me in that respect. The fact that it doesn't seem Tesla has model years points to a possibility of this.

@ccutrer:
Hard to tell of course since the hardware in there right now is pretty good. I think you are afraid of what will happen in say 7-10 years from now when we know that the hardware now will be considered antique. And that's a good thought. However as being the only car company that has a 21th century feel to it of all the car companies out there I would say Tesla is your best bet in that concern. Come the day when the on-board computer hardware needs to be upgraded I would be very surprised if it would not be able as a retro fit. But as far as I know, nothing has been stated about that. Not even batteries yet which is a more common concern (e.g. if there in 10 years exist an 60-mile battery pack, will it be possible to retrofit).

Bias as I might be, I say take the plunge :)

@Spooky if you're a music geek you must know that the Tesla radio goes to eleven!

Back in the day, TM was saying the HW was nearly all modular, designed to be switched out. Haven't heard any specifics since, though.

Please allow me to add a few details into this thread.

Should we have a way to display an iPhone (or iPad) content in one half of our Tesla's display ? Definitely YES !!!

And since this is a CarPlay specific thread i will only talk about Apple issues and let Android discussions go into another thread.

There are two Apple technologies closely related :

- CarPlay is a way to display a simplified version of iOS into a car thru a wired connection (at first) with a tactile feedback from the car screen (or controls)
This is what everybody's talking about and i think it's great... but somehow limited in a typical Apple way where they choose what apps they will allow to work.

Now there's something even better that Tesla could easily integrate as well :

- AirPlay : This is a technology that works on many more iPhones and that sends some Apps contents or even better does a screen mirroring of the phone's display no matter which app is running.
This works on wired and Wifi connections.

The main advantage is that is very easy to implement and the video is displayed in a window in a totally harmless way for the car. There are some Mac Apps like 'Reflector' or 'Air Server' that show You how it works on any Mac and several Internet DSL box providers in France have also implemented this technology with a mere software upgrade.

Maybe Tesla could license one of this two already working technologies and adapt them to the car's OS.

The main advantage is that You can send anything ranging from Your own favorite navigation App to any video from Youtube or any movie that You have on Your phone.
The only drawback with the basic implementation is that You have to control everything from the phone and You don't use the tactile feedback (i can live with that)

The second step would be to implement a layer on top of the displayed content to allow for feedback from the car's screen, but that could come in a second release... if needed.

This would be an easy basic start that would meet Elon's projected mode feature.

So to sum it up :

- CarPlay : why not.
- AirPlay : YES please and could You do it asap, You brilliant Tesla developers ?

Kind regards,

Elie

"Software that is amazing today will look archaic in very short time."

But it's not the look that's important. This is about stable communication protocols, which routinely last decades.

Tesla should pursue a strategy that provides integration with most smartphones on the market - which would include Android and iPhone today - and could include other platforms in the future (Windows Phone, Tizen, ...).

With Tesla's "open system" strategy, they should be able to adapt to however the mobile device market goes in the future - and when the app store becomes available (later this year), there's the possibility that 3rd parties could implement support for platforms not directly supported by Tesla.

I'm a huge Tesla and Apple fan but I don't see the benefit of using Carplay in the model S during its initial debut.

1) I already have an iPhone 5 and an iPad so anything I could possibly want in the iOS is already in the car with me at any time I'd like. I do like the idea of Airplay as Elie has stated above.

2) Could you even imagine being stuck with Apple maps versus Google maps? That right there would be a deal breaker for me.

--Paul

I would like to be able to see my MS running over an iPhone personally I can’t stand iPhone. Just to throw it out there I have owned an iPhone and will never go back to one.

@eabitbol -- I think you nailed it with your explanation of an Airplay alternative for us. I WANT THAT NOW! Great explanation, thanks.

@paul — Support for Apple's Carplay initiative in Model S is about having full access to all features of IOS, but integrated with the 17" display. That way, you can use Siri and see/play the playlists already on your iPhone without having to screw around with the device itself. Having to do this on the IOS device means being subjected to the safety hazard of distraction.

And yes, it does mean access to Apple maps and navigation. But no, it has nothing to do with "being stuck with Apple maps" since Carplay makes is possible at your option. You would still have native Garmin GPS maps on the driver display and Google web maps on the main 17-inch one.

As far as Apple maps, you're living in the past. Apple IOS maps navigation has come a long way since its initial troubled debut. Those who use the navigation feature will find that it works mostly in parity with Google maps, except that Apple unfortunately still hans't added native public transit support.

I hope that Elon, Tesla, Apple find common ground and work together. Having Siri in car is an absolute asset, and still stands to be one of the only voice technologies where you can schedule appointments, synced with cal, setup Geofence (geo-location) reminders etc. So yes I would absolutely love to see Apple Car Play in the tesla. Apple and Tesla fit together.

Siri is an app.
Tesla should simply make sure apps that people like to use,
be it from iOS, Android or whichever platform, could be
used on the car's system. It should not be an Apple
system. It should only support it. Especially in a car
where hacking anything could also end in loss of life.

As for Apple, Nokia, RIM, etc. can be examples of what
can easily happen. Apple may well be out of view in
a decade. It has a huge cash pile but so did Nokia
and Microsoft and that does not ensure success
or staying power in itself.

I don't think anyone is talking about replacing Tesla's OS with Apple's iOS. The car's OS is agnostic, it doesn't care. CarPlay can be incorporated as an icon in the top tray and can live in its own half of the screen. So can Android. Tesla's app model and screen sectioning is a natural fit and shows the foresight that Tesla used in designing the interface.

Siri works great over BT -- just wish there was a way to activate from the steering wheel controls -- and if you don't have the 5s with touchID, you have to disable the pin entry to use it safely!


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