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40 kWh reservationists.....we're out here!!

After reading several weeks of Model S threads, I just wanted to voice that I'm probably one of the many silent "foot soldiers" out there who are ready, willing, and able to plunk down our dough for the "low" end 40 kWh battery (with a minimum of options). I see many comments about I'm a "sig this" and "performance that", and "red exterior", and "tech package", and "have been on the waiting list for 2 years with a low reservation number", etc., etc. That's all terrific. I wish I could count myself among you. But we 40 kWh'ers are out there too; waiting at the bottom of the barrel until the winter of 2013-14 or longer, if necessary, for our awesome Model S (at least I am). Actually I'm just funnin'. This forum is fantastic and I love reading everyone's comments and have gotten a lot of great information (this is my 1st posting), but I also wanted to add the "worker's voice" that we're out here too and "we are with you my sig performance brothers/sisters"!! Dan P#6687 (and damn proud of it).

Welcome Dan! I've said it before, if you only spend $50k on the base 40kWh Model S, you're gonna have a very fine commuter car!

You're still going to have a ton of storage space, no need to stop at a gas station, nearly twice the range of a Leaf, better acceleration than a Leaf, a very nice stereo system with HD radio, and a very stunning looking car!

I am also a (most probably) a 40 kWh reservationist. The only option that I am ordering is the leather interior (for the leather, colour choice, heated seats and lumbar support).

I am considering the parcel shelf. I want to see exactly what my $250 will get me because the parcel shelf comes standard in all other cars.

I am considering the 60 kWh battery for technical reasons only.

The model S will cost me more than double what I have ever spent on a car. My last new car was a 1994 VW Jetta.

"because the parcel shelf comes standard in all other cars"

Wasn't standard in my ICE-UV.

Also wasn't standard in my convertible. ;)

Stephen, frankly, I wouldn't buy the parcel cover. If you have anything that you don't want people to see, you can always store it in the frunk.

I'm getting the cover with my Sig, but if history is any guide, I'll be removing it and stashing it somewhere in the garage like I've done with the last three cars. We frequently drop the back seats to transport stuff and the parcel cover was just in the way.

I would recommend upgrading to the 60kWh. For range, speed of charging, and improved acceleration, it's the best upgrade for the car. But if you never intend driving the car very far, then skip the $10k upgrade.

what i usually carry that i want hidden are my golf clubs. I am hoping that they fit nicely in the frunk but if not then i may consider getting the shelf other than that i see no reason to get it.

Ah, good point clea! Whether the clubs fit in the frunk or not probably depends on the radius of your bag. Once the production RC models are in the stores, you'll be able to measure and know whether you'll need the cover or not.

Of course, if you ever carry two sets of clubs, then you'll have to buy the cover.

i was thinking that they might fit into the small insert section of the frunk (possibly with the driver removed) but will check all of that out when we do the test drive (i will go with clubs in tow ;~). as for carrying more that one set; that is when i will be going with a group and it will only be moving from the house(s) to the course so needing to hide the clubs should not be an issue.

Mycroft....Good point about the frunk. You may have just saved me $250. Your points about the 60 kWh battery are why I am considering it. In addition, when the 40kWh battery pack degrades 30% it would not satisfy my needs. When the 60kWh battery pack degrades 30% my needs are still satisfied.

I will be getting the Model S that I can afford and (the important part) get my wife's buy-in on when they call my #. That'll be anywhere from the 40kWh battery all the way up to the 85kWh Performance which is what I really want, but have to convince the wife of. I'm writing some mobile apps on the side to try to help the situation.

I started out wanting the 40kwh battery too. But in reading the threads, I'm a bit afraid that the practical range with a full blast of ac (I live in south Florida) at highway speeds and a bit of degradation only gets me to about 80 miles. That's tight even for a commuter car. Using the same math on the 60kwh gets me 115 miles which is more than I ever use. Also will help with resale value.

The rest of the options (tech package, performance, etc.) are nice toys. Something to consider if you have lots of extra cash, but on a practical basis I don't think matter too much. Of course, it's all in the eye of the beholder.

Welcome Dan. A great topic starter!

I am in for a 40Kwh version as well for the simple reason it is all I can afford and as mentioned before, will already be about twice as much as I have spent on a car until now.

@Mycroft: I'll pay you $50+shipping for your parcel cover :)

@harryjsommer: I am in Arizona and the high speed freeway driving with the AC on 11 makes me worried too. This is why I cancelled my Leaf reservation. The estimated 65-70 mile range in those conditions for the leaf just didn't work for me. I have high hopes the Model S will make it to 100 miles.

As to the use of the 40Kwh version; It will cover 330 days of my needs. I am still very unhappy about not having the Supercharger option (mentioned on other treads already).
There will be no 60Kwh or 85Kwh version anywhere in my future as they are simply to expensive (for me). The lack of supercharging might kill my final purchase decision.

@clea - "possibly with the driver removed"
The car is a lot less fun with the driver removed. ;)

;~) you are right and i guess we are getting a bit OT because a driverless discussion should be in the tech package thread ...

Clea

I measured the frunk at the oct event, with this in mind. 42 in if I remember correctly. If you take out the drivers ( maybe fairway woods too) and lay them on top diagonally, you might get two bags in the frunk. A Sunday bag of wedges would be no problem.

perfect, thanks.

Dear Dan:

I started out as a 40 kWh guy and after 2 1/2 years I am now on the Sig wait list ….

Yours Truly,

Joe (ATA -- Admitted Tesla Addict)

I'm a vocal 40kWh advocate, but I live in an area where 99% of my needs are met by this range, and can use my wife's car for the other 1%.

Dan;
For your financial calcs, visit Teslarumors.com, and figure your 5 & 10-yr costs. You might be surprised at how it nets out.

P.S. Dan;
"reservationists" sure sounds funny. Unless you're Native Indian. Maybe "reservers"?
;)

Fashionable Tesla prospect: "reservationista"
Militant Tesla prospect: "reservist"
Native American Tesla prospect: "reservation reserver"
Committed Tesla prospect: "no-reservations reserver"

Does anybody have a guess what full AC and zippy driving does to the range?

@vouteb
Reduces it.

@vouteb - short answer: it depends on the speed and the cooling load.

These are going to be roughly a fixed power draw, so at low speeds it will impact the range more than at higher speeds. This is due to the draw being fixed energy use per unit of time, whereas the power usage per mile is a function of speed, not time. Also, the power draw will probably depend on the cooling load, which should be a function of the solar gain and outside temperature. The cabin is not overly large, so I would think the cooling system should be relatively low power draw compared to the vehicle propulsion.

How big an A/C unit would be required to cool the cabin of the Model S? Any experts?

@Dan P
I'm with you for the 40KWH battery and basic configuration. It will cover all my driving with room to spare even as the battery degrades over time.

@vouteb
For what it's worth: I currently drive a Leaf which has the following characteristics. Full AC reduces driving range 10 - 15%. Zippy driving is harder to quantify but might equate to the difference between Drive gear (super zippy!) and Eco gear (which most people probably use most of the time and is plenty fast). Drive gear drops your range about 10%. So a Leaf in zippy Drive gear with AC on might lose 20 - 25% range from its baseline ideal 100 miles per charge.

Also to be considered is the amount of range you lose from increased speed and going up hills. The speed is very important because the wind resistance goes up approximately as the square of the velocity. You can control the speed on your route but not the hills. All in all I estimate you could lose about 30% of your range in a Leaf if you don't pay much attention to what you are doing. That's possibly where they come up with 70 miles per charge for the average driver. Personally, I get much more than that.

I have done a 92 mile commute a couple times with over 8 miles to spare driving sensibly at the speed limit, half of my trip on highways, going over four 1000 foot mountains, without AC. Based on this experience with the Leaf's 24 KWH battery I have no doubt the Model S will get 160 miles per charge with a 40 KWH battery driving sensibly. Driving without thinking might bring that down to about 110 miles per charge if the Leaf is a valid reference. If a fair amount of your driving is less than 55 mph, my Leaf experience suggests that the 40 KWH Model S will go well OVER 160 miles per charge.

It would be interesting if some Roaster owners would share their range experiences. That might be a good topic for another thread if it has not already been done.

ddruz@aol.com:
Thanks, that is what I was looking for(even from a Leaf driver!)

Kallisman: Take a hike with your 40kWh battery!

I too planned on a 40Kwh battery, however, I am leaning towards the 60Kwh. My friend, Mycroft, pointed out with 80% charging and driving at 70-75 mph, using AC, etc. the “real” range of the 40Kwh is 110 miles (+ -). Consider future battery degradation of perhaps 20%. The '40' fulfills most of my needs now, but with 20% less available range over the years I have concerns.

Perhaps the deciding factor for me will be “WHEN.” I am in the middle of the P reservations and if a '60' delivery date is considerably sooner than a 40Kwh it may be the final push I need. In the mean time, I shall keep on buying those Lotto tickets...

ddruz,

Although I've never driven an electric I agree with you wholeheartedly.

People have complained about not being able to get the advertised mileage with a Prius, but sensible driving makes it easy to do so. Of course, on something as efficient as an electric, things like wind conditions can make a big difference.

I am a 40KW holder as well and this is the most expensive car I'll ever purchase since cars depreciate quite a bit over the years unlike a house, in most cases. I am thinking of upgrade to 60KW due to the better range and the supercharging capability although TSLA is saying the 60KW supercharging is TBD so I'm not sure what it means? At any rate, my final decision to purchase the Model S relies on how good the interior design (center console and all) is if I need to spend that kind of money.

jhw1009;
As I suggested to Dan, check out TeslaRumors. Their TCO calcs include depreciation.

Heh; judging from comments by many Roadster owners, your appreciation for the car will more than offset the depreciation.
;)

Dan,

I am a 40 kWh reserver as well. 110-160 miles will more than meet my daily needs of a 30 mile commute along with short trips in and around town. We are a two car family and our Highlander Hybrid will be used for longer trips. It seems from reading other threads the Highlander Hybrid might be a relatively common second vehicle for Model S reservation holders.

I also considered the Volt and the Leaf and while they would both meet my commuting needs they would not meet my 'wants.'


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