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Has Tesla considered protecting the driver and passengers from EMF radiation emitting from the battery pack?

I drive a hybrid and the EMF’s are very strong in the car
causing me to become exhausted on a long trip.

There are materials to shield the passenger compartment from radiation and it could be added or offered as an option for those of us who are concerned about exposure.

Shielding materials are available, here's a link:
http://lessemf.com/magnetic_shielding.html

I believe this is an important issue and needs to be given some priority.

In Switzerland shielding materials are installed on rooftops of schools and other institutions before installing solar systems.

robertcanada888

Robert, these is a good discussion of this topic at thr Club website... http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/2335-EMF-Radiation-and-the...

Hope this helps!

Shielding for solar systems? Seems a little strange since the panels are DC not AC. If there were any concern in an EV you'd think it'd be from the induction motor not the battery.

Radiation is good for you; a certain amount keeps the DNA repair mechanisms tuned up.

Electromagnetic energy at or below microwave frequencies simply doesn't have enough energy to break molecular bonds, so it cannot damage DNA. You need UV, X-rays, gamma rays or ionizing radiation to do that; none of which are generated by ordinary electronics and power systems.

"I drive a hybrid and the EMF’s are very strong in the car causing me to become exhausted on a long trip."

How do you know that electromagnetic radiation is causing your problem? Is there no other factor of driving the car that could make you exhausted? For example, if you're paying more attention to the readouts, or you're driving technique is different, or the seating is different -- couldn't they at least be contributors, if not the cause?

Depending on the type of hybrid you're driving ( see http://j.mp/d6Q0UP ) you may find that you're not using that much electricity on a long trip anyway, if a gas engine is doing most of the work.

Interesting how many experts come out of the woodwork when the status quo is questioned.

Brian H - Where are you getting your information that EMF radiation emitting from electronic equipment is good for us, do more research please.

Douglas3 - Electromagnetic fields at or below microwave are a risk to some people. If you have any qualifications and evidence please post them because your statment is outdated considering the latest evidence. You must be reading the denial of the cell phone companies that their products are causing illness.

txjak- I drive an average of 40,000 kl a year and have driven my hybrid for more than 4 years. I have considered other factors and have narrowed the exhaustion to the EMF radiation. I also have challenges with my prostate. Recently I discovered materials to shield me from the EMF's. I will post the results after it is installed.

Robert, to be fair, I think you need to consider this...

Just as you have asked others here for more in depth proof to substantiate their assertions, you are subject to the same burden of proof to further support your observations.

My wife and I have logged over 230,000 kms in hybrids since 2005 and neither of us have observed anything in ourselves to support your position.

Ever used hands free systems in car? The ear plugs with your iPod? Here's what you do then: you put an magnet and electronics *inside* you head that goes in frequencies way higher than AC motor. Because effect of magnetic and electric fields have exponentially smaller effect the more distance they have those headphones cause a lot bigger EMF field to you than batteries or AC engine of wiring or anything in your car. Hundreds, maybe thousands of times higher.

Ever had any ill effects from them?

"Douglas3 - Electromagnetic fields at or below microwave are a risk to some people. If you have any qualifications and evidence please post them because your statment is outdated considering the latest evidence. You must be reading the denial of the cell phone companies that their products are causing illness."

Qualifications: P.Eng., M.Eng, B.A.Sc. with 26 years experience. Multiple patents, including several for electromagnetic particle sensors used on jet engines. So I am pretty knowledgeable about how electromagnetic fields interact with matter.

I was responding to Brian H, who implied that DNA damage could result from field exposure. This is impossible with the frequencies being used in an EV.

Now you could *cook* someone with enough microwave energy, but that would be heat damage. It also requires power levels massively higher than that produced by an "unintentional radiator".

EVs don't use microwave energy. They use VERY low frequencies for the chopper drive that runs the motor. If there is any microwave emission from an EV at all, the level will be orders of magnitude lower than that from a cell phone, which is actually designed to make microwaves. And even then, cell phone power levels are pretty low. You can't cook dinner with a cell phone.

You might want to read the October 2010 issue of Scientific American. In his Skeptic column, Michael Shermer wrote a very nice explanation, based on elementary physics, of why cell phones can't damage DNA.

robertcanada888 - I think the burden of proof rests with you. Scientific evidence that the hybrid you drive is causing the problem would probably get the attention of the manufacturer, especially if more people were making the same complaint.

I have a friend that is very concerned about radiation and other hard-to-detect health risks. He brought an EMF reader with him when I gave him a ride.

He didn't tell me the numbers, but after a minute of staring at his reader, he laughed and put it away, saying it wasn't high enough to worry about.

EMF is not a problem. I'm more concerned about the gas fumes I breathe in while I'm refueling at the local Shell station.

I was actually talking about environmental ionizing radiation. It's a variation on the "hygiene hypothesis" theme. A little radon is good for you!

I completely agree with Todd. If you are at a self service station- typically you "drip" 3 drops of gas every time you fuel up and this gets almost immediately vaporized. 20 drips = 1 ml. the math gets really complicated for exposure, but as a decent estimate to simplify calculations take a 3 ft sphere volume convert to liters and divide by 6 (lung volume) and multiply by 3 drips * 52weeks* 60 years/20 drop/ml. If you fuel up 1/week, over the course of your lifetime you would be breathing in about 7 mL and consider between 1 to 4% of that is benzene, that's alot of exposure to a known carcinogen and gasoline-potential carcinogen (causes cancer in rats) which can be avoided

Dan5;
You've assumed you inhale 100% of the vapors. It's probably a tiny fraction of 1%. It disperses and is carried away by any slightest breeze.

Radiation:
http://opinion.financialpost.com/2010/09/24/lawrence-solomon-radiations-...

"Take the case of “an almost perfect study in a human population that demonstrates the highly significant protective effects of near-continuous exposure to gamma radiation.” This case involved more than 180 apartment buildings that had been constructed in Taiwan in the early 1980s using recycled steel that was subsequently discovered to have been contaminated with radioactive cobalt-60. The 10,000 people who were housed there received large doses of radiation over a period of nine to 20 years that, according to LNT theory, should have led to a total of 302 cancer deaths over the 1983-2003 period studied, 232 of which would have been ordinarily expected had no radiation exposure occurred, with the additional 70 stemming from the exposure. To the researchers’ surprise, however, only seven cancer deaths were found, 225 fewer than would have been expected had the buildings been free of radiation. Instead of radiation increasing the death toll by 30%, it may have reduced the death toll by a staggering 97%."

Gamma ray radiation is MUCH more powerful -- orders of magnitude -- than anything generated by an EV.

It's been tested before by several people. BEV's produce next to zero EMF in comparison to cell phones, and a cell is a LOT closer to your gray matter.

Electromagnetic Fields are everywhere. Even though the regular gas engine cars carry the EMF. As long as there is an electric current in a car, EMF is there. Regardless of how much the impact, it does not matter. Our bodies expose to the EMF fields every single minute. Whether we are in the car, on the phone, Bluetooth, at the house, in front of the computer, sitting and watching TV, or even just sit and do nothing.

The electric cars are delivering a huge amount of electric waves and vibrations that give the impact to our blood. A 30 minute drive with a Hybrid car. Manufacture of cars such as Audi, Mercedez, BWW and Porche give an added information about the technology they use in the car, example such as Audi MMI will produce EMF inside the car. Actually, even the manufactures know this. It is up to the consumers to make a right educated decision and solutions.

The test shown on the blood sample of Hans Joachim Stuck, a Racing Legend and his 2 sons in Germany on May 14 and May 15, 2011 at the Nurburgring race track with his Lamborghini LG 600, shown the result as follows:

1. Rouleaux formation and correlation at 72% value.
2. Filite (oxidativer Stres) at 8%
3. Neutrophile Granulozyt at 2%

After using the memon environmental technology that based on the standard light pectrum (Resonance and vibration), it neutralized the EMF in his lamborghini and the test result shows as follows:

1. Rouleaux formation and correlation at 23% value.
2. Filite (oxidativer Stres) at 1%
3. Neutrophile Granulozyt at 1%

There are more into this live test. I hope this will help you all.
Let me know if you have any questions.

Thank's

No one has shown that electromagnetic waves from cell phones, electric motors, etc. are harmful.

The far higher level of danger from gasoline fires, exhaust fumes and pollution including oil spills, etc., has already been cited in this forum.

The smell of gasoline when you fill up (in fact vapor) is carcinogen.

bunk, above, has obviously had numerous EMF-induced short circuits. Condolences.

As a government scientist for 25 years with an MS in Toxicology who participated as a panel member on multiple human health risk assessments at the community level, I'm qualified to comment on the EMF issue. In the 1990s, USEPA published a risk assessment that addressed low frequency EMF and proposed risk based exposure levels to same. This resulted in the introduction of shielding to computer monitors and the like at considerable cost to industry and consumers. The agency later retracted the paper after it underwent peer review and was determined to be based on many false assumptions and it was relegated to junk science. Thus, there are no credible, peer reviewed studies that show EMF to be harmful to human health.


I drive a hybrid and the EMF’s are very strong in the car
causing me to become exhausted on a long trip.


Because nobody becomes exhausted after a long trip in an ICE car, right?

Sorry you're getting piled on like this, but your assertion is simply silly. We have many decades of data on the effect of low-level (and even high-level) EMF fields on people. The World Health Organization has a nice precisé here. Here's the salient quote:

In the area of biological effects and medical applications of non-ionizing radiation approximately 25,000 articles have been published over the past 30 years. Despite the feeling of some people that more research needs to be done, scientific knowledge in this area is now more extensive than for most chemicals. Based on a recent in-depth review of the scientific literature, the WHO concluded that current evidence does not confirm the existence of any health consequences from exposure to low level electromagnetic fields.

I'll grant the possibility that you're somehow uniquely sensitive to EMF and are in fact effected by driving a hybrid or electric car. If you really think this is the case, then you should stop doing so.

When are we not in the vacinity of emf? Those lights in the room are electric; the TV is electric; the ignition in the ice is electric; every wall in your home has wires - electic; every room at our place of work has wires in the walls and ceiling for electicity. In your town, do you have electic buses or trains? Electriciy is safe unless you become part of the circuit.

Don
Vancouver, WA

Pick your poison:http://www.livestrong.com/article/184237-what-are-the-dangers-of-inhaling-car-gas/

"That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence" - the late, great, Christopher Hitchens

Yeah CO2 is better at list you died without knowing

cberman;
More sub-scientific confusion. You're talking about CO1=CO=Carbon Monoxide, which causes sleepiness, unconsciousness and death*. CO2 causes none of the above, unless it is displacing O2 in the air and causing suffocation. Which is uncomfortable, distressing, and will cause unpleasant death.

*by preferentially bonding to blood hemoglobin, preventing O2 transport throughout the body.

Every breath you exhale is about 40,000 ppm (4%) CO2, 100X current ambient. If you want to do your garden a favor, breath or blow on it.

typo: breathe or blow on it.


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