GPS Feature

I understand the turn-by-turn GPS navigation is only available in the 'tech package'. I do not need the upgraded headlamps or the automatic door, so $3,750 is a lot to turn on the GPS functionality. Can I use GPS or any other solution on the touchscreen? Can I pay to just get this GPS feature turned on?

You can still be a fan of Tesla and totally disagree with how they did things option wise.

Basically its just another thing that has kept me on the fence. Do I buy a car which purports itself as a luxury car, but doesn't come with nav/hid-lamps as standard?

Or do I hold off in hopes that they fix it, and they include it in the base price. Everything in the tech package belongs on a car being sold at this level. I can't even think of any competing car that doesn't have the features within the tech package as standard.

It's also kind of silly to have such a technically advanced car, but have an option called the tech package. Seriously? Oh, here is this 17inch screen, but sorry no nav for you. The entire dashboard is an LCD, yet there is no maps there either (unless you have Nav, and destination programmed in).

Most of the other options I agree with. The pano-roof, the suspension. Things that people have different wants/needs. But, HID lamps, and Nav I considered to be basic safety features. A hell of a lot safer than Halogen lamps and a mounted iPhone.

"Basically its just another thing that has kept me on the fence. Do I buy a car which purports itself as a luxury car, but doesn't come with nav/hid-lamps as standard?"

What luxury car comes with it as standard? It's an option for every single car I have ever encountered, luxury or otherwise.

Let me put it a different way, is there any value to making the base price $2K (or whatever the tech package is) more expensive and making it standard?

The only value is to exclude some people from buying the car.

You pay for the tech package, one way or another.

Nav and HID lamps are standard on the 911 Porsche that I'm considering.

Traditional Porsche has been the company to nickle and dime someone on everything. Sure Porsche could say the same thing as you did, but we both know they're making a killing on the options.

Now will I buy anyways? Where I just adjust the price in my mind and ignore it? Probably. I still find it amusing that they would have such a nice screen, but then paralyze it.

Lots of people won't notice how much better HID lamps are.

I do agree with the sentiment that selling a "tech package" on "the most advanced car in the world" feels a little cheap.

I also think its important to recongnize the trade offs. What you're giving up in return for all the things the Tesla brings to the table.

I'm still passionate about the car even if I think option wise Tesla is behind the curve. The GPS thing was just nutters.

But, they're way ahead of the curve in other areas.

So I'm just carefully weighing my decision which one should do on such an expensive car. The interesting thing is the things it gives you are more everyday things (full battery level every morning, instant thrust). Sure there is no adaptive cruise control option, or lane assist (what other companies have as options because they've long since moved Xenons into standard equipment).

A Porsche 911 has a base MSRP of $84,000. That's about what I paid for my almost fully-loaded Model S 60.

Again, I fail to see what the complaint here is.

cybrown: please correct me if I'm wrong, but the turn-by-turn navigation is by Garmin, maps are by Google?

I wish the car came with HID standard and offered LED headlamps with the tech package. Oh well…

TBT Nav was standard on the 2011 & 2012 Leaf. It is an option on 2013. Say what you will about the Leaf, but it has several desirable features that aren't even offered on Model S. Full disclosure: I own one of each :)

I asked Tesla rep that if I do not get tech package how does maps work and I got very mixed responses from different reps. I believe the following is correct and the easiest way to understand this:

The google maps on the 17" LCD is a totally different program/app/device from the Garmin GPS; the only connect is if you have an address on the google maps and you want GPS directions, the google maps sends the address to the Garmin GPS; otherwise they operate totally separate.

Everyone gets the google maps with an icon that tracks your car as you move around on the map. Only the tech package gets the Garmin GPS! The only big or small advantage is the address automatically gets transfered.

I would recommend the tech package because in the future, the google maps will get a lot better(my opinion and Elon just made a recent announcement of enhancements).

Can any actual owners confirm this.

dawson5555555 - Your understanding is correct. You get all the functionality except the TBT navigation. Met a fellow owner at the SJC Supercharger yesterday who was complaining the TBT route line on the Google map overlaid the traffic info. Told him I don't have that problem because I don't have the tech package. You can enter an address and it will still drop a pin on the Google map. If you can self navigate to the general area, you can find your destination easy enough, particularly since they added the Heading Up option to the display. No tech since 12/23/12 and no regrets.

Although I don't claim to have any tech spec on how the systems interact, it seems to me that it can't be as simple as you suggest...

If the only coordination between the two systems was solely by destination address, then that would present a serious shortcoming, as the routing would not (always) match. Having driven a couple of extensive nav trips recently, one 4,000+ miles, I can attest that the two are clearly TBT handshaking more than just by destination...

I did witness the driver display nav freakout and reboot from some nasty bug once during all this time (just the left quadrant [nav] side—it was up on I-5 N around Sylmar, and very unexpected and weird). But it didn't seem to cause anything major on the Google 17"display side, and they sync'd up rather nicely after the reboot, which might suggest that routing is being fed from the Google to the Garmin side. It might be an interesting test to reboot the Google 17" side during nav to see that happens, but it probably won't affect it much.

So, I would say that @stevenmaifert's assertion of 'your understanding being correct', is only valid in the most basic sense: That turn-by-turn is a Tech Package-only feature.

I'd love to hear from someone who actually does have the inside scoop...

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