It would be great if we get to see the data that comes out of this study.
I'm sure they do.
How did this happen?
I got nuthin'.
This video suggests Tesla had someone at the scene of the accident.
@KevinR, I think it was video from KLTA-TV in L.A.
What I'm most concerned about is how the thief got access to the car (did he break into the service center and steal the fob?).
@NKYTA I agree-- if he stole the fob then most all is answered for me.
At about 2:30 on the above video he is following and questioning someone to his Tesla at the scene...
The video has been out for a long time. Some members of the community may know who this is, but one has identified him for obvious reasons.
I agree--I think the key question here is how the thief got control of the car, the rest is a physics experiment. Hopefully Occam's Razor rules and the dope simply stole the fob.
@omarsultan I must agree. But it is human nature to overthink!
As to how the thief got the fob, the simplest solution is the most likely. Maybe someone left the fob in the car. The thief touched the door handle and it popped out. So dumb luck. Or perhaps he was snooping around the SC and picked up a fob that someone set down or dropped on the ground. Came back later to boost a car. Given the fobs give access to several million dollars worth of cars, I doubt the SC keeps them in a shoebox. Breaking into the SC and into whatever safe the fobs are stored in and stealing a fob seems unlikely.
You are over thinking it.
As an engineer I interested in the forces exerted on the Tesla during the accident. I want to understand the accident as it unfolded. How much fire damage in the cabin etc etc.
I'm sure there is something for Tesla to learn from this.
I've learned: 1. Better not to steal a Tesla 2. If you ignore #1, then try to keep it under 100. 3. If you ignore #1 and #2, then try not to get into an accident. 4. If you ignore #1, #2, and #3, thank the lord you were in a Tesla. 5. If you won't do #4 because you don't believe in god, then simply thank lord elon musk for your stupid ass still being alive.
The Photo of the scene leaves me to think that as he approached the intersection, at >100mph the light was red. So he locked up the tires trying to avoid a car or cars, crossing through... he slid and hit one, causing it change course, driving through and knocking down the light pole, and hitting the corner of the building, were the car split. The rear with the momentum and spun up power from the motor shoved itself into the building gap, while the front split off spinning knocking down the tree, and coming a fiery stop were it is in the photo. The whole time the battery pack was likely split open and a partially connected (via the solder tabs) chain of batteries string between the two halves started their own fireworks show.
And my guess is the Fob was left in the car. Most of the time I take a non tesla car in for service they want you to leave the key in it so they can move it into the garage or where ever...
The guy in the video was likely driving his loaner replacement car, after his was destroyed.
I love how consistently negative the Detroit News is about anything Tesla...the joke continues to be on them.
I'm pretty sure the thief hit other cars and objects well before he reached the intersection. I think the car nearest the foreground just stopped there, after it was hit. Notice there are parts of the Tesla on the ground, before the intersection. With the forward momentum of traveling at speed, anything that came off the car would have come to rest several yards ahead of where they first came loose. The car took a severe beating, well before it got to the intersection and knocked over the signal light/lamp post, divided, and split fully in two.
Two light poles were taken out.
How much jail will the thief get?
Light poles are designed to shear at the base and otherwise give along their span. They do not act like a hot wire through butter and slice a car in half.
I think drac nailed this one. Something launched the MS (curb, car,,) and the back was caught by a building leaving the front to continue on. 4700lbs at 50 mph and a very strong building are enough to cause this.
As for cells flying about and acting like fireworks, I much prefer that over 15 gallons of fuel being spread across the intersection and ignited. Anyone focusing on the battery being a safety issue here simply wants press coverage over any opportunity to report rational fact.
The poles being designed to shear off is why I came to the above conclusion. But there are many possibilities here, one of which worries me greatly... and I am hesitant to post this, but I want Tesla to investigate this possibility. It is more of a, What If...
I highly doubt the car wrapped around the pole, it would be more concave on the side... and there is not much evidence int he photo that the corner of the wall split the car... as the other side of the wall is cracked up and pushed in.
I instead fear, that the driver's input of FULL-OPEN Throttle combined with all the resistance of the car impacts, pole, and curb... may have caused the car to split itself in to two pieces due to shear torque, literally.
All the crash tests, usually have the car OFF while it is pushed into something, and most drivers actually hit the brakes before they run into something and are already decelerating. The tire tracks in this photo seem to show that he came in a bit sideways before the tires locked up, and came out of a drift to straighten up just before hitting the curb/pole area...
At the expense of one more Tesla to die in a test, I wish to see a full throttle crash test... to simulate this wreck. Or hopefully some sort of black box data that might have survived this wreck.
It is also possible that multiple cars crossing the intersection, hit the Tesla in just the right way... be it simultaneously or not, to help it split.
I hope the manage to dig up a buildings security camera footage, or maybe the light had a red light camera?! Be nice to see it all unfold... aside from any gruesome bits.
When i start my new drama crime series on TNT, I am hiring all you guys to be my writers. Good stuff here. lol
Did you see the carnage on that street? It looks like the end of a Transformers movie. If it is true, I think the story here is that the driver is still alive! That would be absolutely incredible.
What ever the speculators are smoking must be good stuff!
Im my opinion any situation which has the car split by hitting the building must put the rear end facing out. unless it hit a building other than the one it is stuck in and did a 180 before coming to rest.
draconius_z wrote, "All the crash tests, usually have the car OFF while it is pushed into something..."
I have often wondered about that myself. I don't know if any of the crash test video of the Tesla Model S showed the interior, to confirm if it were actually 'ON' or not. I may have to look it up again. But yes, it does seem as if there are cables that drag vehicles into objects.
I'm fairly certain that one of those tests used to be a pole, though, in addition to the battering ram for side impacts. I can't remember seeing that among crash tests of the Model S... Ah! Found it:
2013 Tesla Model S | Pole Crash Test by NHTSA | CrashNet1 (3:10)
During the interior shots, none of the displays are lit, as far as I can tell. The pole strike is shown, as I remembered, at the driver's door. I doubt they re-test for results on the rear door of a sedan, and again at the wheels, for and aft. There is a separate video that shows the battering ram result. But it seems each of those cars were later strapped to a machine that flipped them over to test structural rigidity after an accident.
2013 Tesla Model S | Pole Crash Test Documentation | CrashNet1 (8:29)
< href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVkOj8uYorc">2013 Tesla Model S | Side Crash Test Documentation | CrashNet1 (10:14) ⇒ This one shows that the car is definitely 'ON' before, during, and after the crash test. Once the Model S becomes aware a collision has taken place, it releases air bags in the cabin, and the hazard lights come on immediately, front and rear.
draconius_z wrote, "I hope [they] manage to dig up a buildings security camera footage, or maybe the light had a red light camera?! Be nice to see it all unfold... aside from any gruesome bits."
If there is security footage, TMZ will have it before anyone else, including the cops, or insurance investigators.
2013 Tesla Model S | Side Crash Test Documentation | CrashNet1 (10:14) ⇒ This one shows that the car is definitely 'ON' before, during, and after the crash test. Once the Model S becomes aware a collision has taken place, it releases air bags in the cabin, and the hazard lights come on immediately, front and rear.
By ON, I actually meant the speed control, sending power to the motor, and the wheels at maximum RPMs and/or Torque. I do not yet have a Tesla, so I forget it can be "On/Off". I cannot truly afford it yet, even so, I may still try to finance one through creative means, where there is a will, there is a way...
The Tesla patents show a shock sensor in the battery pack that presumably disconnects the battery in the event of a severe physical shock. This makes sense as it improves safety by not having the wheels continue to be powered and high-voltage cables outside the battery will not be live. It's not clear if Tesla actually uses this technique and/or if the shock sensor is directional like air-bags, but I suspect they do. One owner claimed he was in an accident and was able to drive away, so it might only drop out in the event of a major accident.
Looks like the accident drove TSLA down $5. Buy, buy!
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