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Trip Washington DC to Florida

Left DC at 1pm with 240 miles of projected range. Ran into some heavy traffic on I-95 South. it is nice to sit not using energy.
The plan is to travel approximately 150 miles between charges and arrive in Florida in 2 days

P2576

Have a safe trip, and let us know how you're coming along. Where are your charge stops?

Ok, here we go. As I said before the specific plan is to travel roughly 150 miles between charges. I have mapped out chargepoint or other J-1772 charging stations. However, I have twin chargers and after reading that many stations are limited to 30 amps, an alternative is to stop at rv sites because most offer 50 amps.
Just stopped at the K.O.A. In Fredericksburg, less than half the sites were filled and was offered $49.00 to charge for 3 hours. I of course said think you very much and continued on my way because I have 171 miles left of charge and the pre- planned chargepointi is 45 miles away.

By the way Fredricksburg, Virginia and I have called all the pre-planned destination chargepoints to ensure their functionality.

Good luck with the long trip. Hope your charge sites work out for you.

$50 for 3 hours sounds steep for the 90 or so miles of charge you would get. Have others experienced similar pricing at RV campgrounds?

Extremely variable. Right now I'm 3 miles down the road, right outside Richmond Virginia at Richmond North Americamps KOA campground. The owners were extremely enthusiastic. They have had Teslas here before. they did not even want any money. I gave $10 because of their support of our community.

This is part of the reason for this blog. Things can be so variable, I think it's important to know we're we can go. Oh and by the way I will not have to stop at the chargepoint. And I'm connected to 240/40amp getting 26 to 27 mph charge.

p2576

Thanks for posting your experiences, as you well know it will be helpful to many of us until the supercharge network is built out. I hope you are also familiar with the Plugshare site which provides a list map of charges including private residences which will allow you to charge at their homes. Also, in the filter section you can add a filter forTesla chargers. FYI, Marriott Hotels are starting to get on board and I've been told if you ask they will make every effort to let you charge while you stay overnight.

Good luck and keep the posts coming.....

Angelia
P5119

Back on the road again. Charged to 195 mile range, passing thru Richmond, VA. right now. Thanks for the information Angelia. While I think the super chargers are incredible, I am truly going to try to save them for emergencies only. I have come to the conclusion that I rush to much in my life. I am setting cruise control for no more than 55 mph and using time at rest stops to read, call friends or quality time. Driving does not always have to be about speed. 90+ % of the other cars on the road can not compete with the raw performance of the Model S. I know it but there is no need to show it.

P2576

Thanks for the blog. Good to hear about Marriott too. I'm planning Colorado to NJ in the late Spring (& expecting the vehicle any day now)

Well, really tired. Unfortunately did not make it to a camp site before it closed and the EV j-1772 is Nissan and will not be available until business hours. Stopped at a hotel. Unfortunately, due to the holiday, parking even by a 110v outlet was not possible. Although I consider stop time without charging, missed oportunity, I still have 100 miles left on battery and the campsite is roughly 5 miles away, the Nissan is roughly 10. So all in all, safe & warm.

An adventure in Emporia VA.

p2576

Thanks for sharing your story. I think we should have a website where fellow Tesla owners could stop and charge up when passing through town. I live in Glenview IL and my office is in Northbrook IL and I have a 240 volt 40 amp outlet at each location and would be happy to share them with any Tesla owner at no charge! Safe Travels and Happy Holidays!
Ira

FYI 240 volts X 40 amps = 9.6 kW to figure how much it costs to charge per hour just determine how much you pay per kWh to your electric company. I pay about 8 cents per kWh including delivery and taxes in the Chicago area but let's assume it was 15 cents at the campground so the formula is as follows 9.6kW for one hour = 9.6kWh x 15 cents per kWh = $1.44 per hour x 3 hours = $4.32 Based on this formula I'd say $49 is absurd!

By the way Teala says with a single charger figure 10kW per hour as a general rule of thumb when plugged into a 240 volt nema 14-50.

Hope this helps.

Ira

Ira;
No charge? Where are all those volts and amps going then? ;)

Good morning.

Well the message is plan plan plan, back up plans. I'm looking at the nearest campsite and they ofer a cabin for $91. My hotel Mariott cost $99, Had I called ahead or gotten there in time I could have slept to awake to a full charge instead of waking up early worried about the car. I went out to check it and I'm glad I did. The temp outside dropped to 29 degrees. The charge dropped from roughly 100 miles to 70 in 5 hours. I noticed a gas station with in view of my room in the hotel. They have a 110v outlet. I plugged the car in, waited with it a while to make sure everything is OK. Now back in the warm hotel room awake keeping watch on the car. I did not want to plug in without asking first but with the temperature being so cold and the charge dropping I felt it was worth the risk of pissing someone off.

Beautiful sunrise.

p2576

My 60 kw # p65 still has no delivery window, but for a month i have had a 240v 50 amp outlet at my home and one at my business. Our business is Kudzu Bakery in Georgetown S.C. 120 King Street, just off Hwy 17 between Myrtle beach and Charleston. We are in a small historic town with several B and Bs, restaurants, antique shops within walking distance. We would welcome fellow Tesla travellers and agree a website should exist to list and maybe rate charging possibilities. If you are passing thru coastal South Carolina and need some electrons i can be reached at kudzubakery@gmail.com.

I appreciate the offer and from the looks of it it there really does not appear to be an increase in distance. I just may take you up on the offer.

From the Marriott hotel I could see the gas station had opened. I walked over to explain the situation and the cashier had no problem with me plugging in at all and was impressed by the Model S.

All is good.

p2576

OK :-) Roanoke rapids NC ! I'm at a place called the RV Resort at Carolina crossroads. Exit 171. These guys are great. Could have rented a cabin last night for $70 and had a full charge this am. by the way Yogi Bear Jellystone near Emporia was almost hostile. "no we don't do that then they hung up".

So will be hear in the sun for the nex 4-5 hours, charging 245v 40amps 28mph then continue with the trip.

p2576

Not sure where in Florida you're aiming for, but I'm a little bit North of Tampa about 8 miles off of I-75. My electrician is due here in about 20 minutes to install my NEMA 14-50, and you would be more than welcome to be the first to use it. I'm still waiting for the call-email-button with my VIN and final paperwork any second-hour-day now, so it will be quite available for use.

rmacchi1@tampabay.rr.com

All (and joey in particular)
There are 3 charging websites that I recommend all EV drivers make use of both to list and to find charging sites. They are:
www.plugshare.com
www.recargo.com
www.carstations.com
Each have their pros and cons and I don't consider any to be perfect. For folks wishing to list a charging site, I highly recommend listing on all 3 (they are free to list). I also recommend that drivers check in when they use sites so that the rest of us gain some confidence that they are still working.
When you use an RV park, I highly recommend you ask the owners if it is ok for you to list them. Most are very happy with the idea.

That is exactly what I've been doing. The power (electric) is out there we just need to educate people regarding what we are doing and that they can make money from short stops as we save money and the planet.

I am however focusing on RV sites for this trip because of the higher amps than the j-1772.

I understand during camping season it may be more difficult but if we are also flexible and perhaps say "look, don't reserve the site even while I'm there if someone with an RV shows up and wants I drive away". Perhaps we can have access even during the bus season.

p2576

@joey

Probably would not be able to get there until around 11pm.

p2576

We are just heading to Jacksonville, Fl for Christmas then will be returning Northbound again.

My5bAby

Thank you very much for taking the time to do this trip. I see the worries that I have had are not unfounded. We really need Tesla to step-up the Supercharge system outside of CA. I live west of Chicago and can't realistically make a trip to North of Detroit. I love to be green and expect this will improve as we all install our home chargers. I too plan to make mine available to travelers, although there is a Tesla store also nearby and those of you on the expressway will likely stop there for a quick fill-up. How quickly do the Chargepoint stops really fill with twin chargers and how much does it cost? I dont plan to pay $50, not the kind of "green" I plan on being so I would like to start a blog or forum or on-line directory of Tesla owners who will allow charge for donation arrangement. I am in Naperville IL. 3 minuntes off I88, 15 miles off I294, 20 minutes off I80.
Anyone know if this has already been setup?
John

@My5bAby - thanks for sharing your trials and tribulations. I've been driving a Leaf for about 20 months and have only ventured a long distance once. It was fun for me, but not the wife :).

Not certain if you saw this link, but based on my experience with my Leaf, it is fairly accurate.

http://www.jurassictest.ch/GR/

Be sure to add your car to the list and add your passengers and other details (speed, other electronics, etc).

Side comment about charging stations. In Southern California, I see lots of Volts and Plug in Prius's using them "all day". It gets very frustrating when they've got petrol to get them home....

Highly interested in your "great adventure". Waiting for final paper work and delivery of my Model S (they promised tomorrow, but that doesn't seem likely at this point as "tomorrow" has been promised daily since last Monday).

Sorry guys I forgot to mention that I left. I am now in Wade North Carolina at a KOA (they asked for $5 I gave $10 to charge for three hours) They are extremely supportive. I plan to stay for three hours before final leg of today's travels. I will be going into South Carolina for the night and should be able to charge over night so I can hit the road in the morning. Up to now I have been doing standard charges. However because I'm behind schedule, I will range charge overnight to ensure that I make it to Jacksonville with minimal time.

Thank you everyone for your input.

Oh yea, driving no more than 60 mile/hour with heavy regen and cruise control. The rated range is extremely accurate driving this way.

I have not stoped at a Chargepoint yet. That may happen tonight.

p2576

Really enjoying this trip account. On another note.... I contacted Marriott about charging capabilities and got this..

Thank you for contacting Marriott. We appreciate the opportunity to provide you with information.

Marriott currently have eight hotels that offer electric car charging stations, they are as follows:

Courtyard Oxnard Ventura – Oxnard, CA (2 stations)

JW Marriott Desert Springs Resort & Spa – Palm Desert, CA (3 stations)

Renaissance Los Angeles Airport Hotel – Los Angeles, CA (2 stations)

Renaissance Esmeralda Resort & Spa Indian Wells – Indian Wells, CA (2 stations)

San Francisco Airport Marriott – San Francisco, CA (2 stations)

Torrance Marriott South Bay – Torrance, CA (2 stations)

Residence Inn Orlando Lake Mary – Lake Mary, FL (2 stations)

Courtyard Hadley Amherst – Hadley, MA (1 station)

Residence Inn Charlotte Concord – Concord, NC (4 stations)

The Ritz-Carlton Charlotte – Charlotte, NC (1 station)

JW Marriott Las Vegas Resort & Spa – Las Vegas, NV (1 station)

Copenhagen Marriott - Copenhagen, Denmark (1 station)

Thank you for choosing Marriott.

Since we've broadened the topic a bit, I would mention two things about charging on road trips.

First, as nice as the SC network will be, I think we also need to lobby for more charging opportunities in hotels, motels, and other overnight lodging establishments. I was a bit shocked at how limited the choices are, whether along the road or at my destination. If the Model S is to serve as a road trip vehicle, we need plentiful overnight charging facilities as well as superchargers.

Second, I am cross posting the following comment I made in the General forum (I rarely look at that forum, and posted there only because I had volkerized the topic). My comment concerns my desire for a CHAdeMO adapter:

I have been driving my 85 kWh Model S over various routes in the state of Washington, trying to scope out how easy or hard it will be to take road trips. I can tell you that a CHAdeMO adapter would make a MAJOR difference to the usability of the Model S for travel beyond its home base. This is true because of both the ubiquity of CHAdeMO charge stations and the time it will take to deploy the supercharger network. On several occasions, I have wanted to extend my drive or take an alternate route, but have been unable to do so because I didn't have the range and didn't want to wait several hours to add 50 or 75 miles at a standard Level 2 charge station. Yet in each case, there was an available CHAdeMO station that would have satisfied this need. The SC network won't be operational in Washington for a year or two, but even when it is, it will probably not cover the state the way CHAdeMO stations do now. I would happily pay $1,000 or more for a CHAdeMO adapter.

Thank you both for your comments.

@ DouglasR

It would appear that some issues are regional. I lived in Seattle for 3 years. I'm from the Mid Atlantic East coast. During this trip the issue has not been the type of connection. It has been the availability of any connection at all. Unfortunately a lot of the j-1772 are associated with car dealerships which are closed for the weekend & holiday.

This will be a work in progress and I imagine it will somewhat follow the progression of WiFi. Remember when we had to ask if it was available in a facility? It seemed like within 1 year it became ubiquitous.

Part of the issue is none of the other cars are range capable. At best people with hybrids are not going to make a decision about where to stay or go based on availability to charge. The Model S is the first EV to make long distance trips feasible & possible.

p2576

I'm going to take a general stab at this so please use it as a starting point for discussion only.

SuperChargers use ten of Tesla's modular charger to provide DC current through the Tesla charge connector (normally AC flows through this connector to one (or two) on board 10KW chargers.
The Tesla chargers handle the constant current to constant voltage transition and thus manage the charge profile to fit the Panasonic cells.
I suspect the SuperChargers will only provide a standard charge and that the standard charge only deals with the constant current portion of the charge cycle. I do not remember the percentage split on Lion technology but it is somewhere around 92% constant current followed by 8% constant voltage. Please do not shoot me if I'm off base here; just correct me.

The moral for me is that Tesla uses their proprietary chargers to manage the charge process.

To use CHAdeMO, something on the car side would need to speak to the CHAdeMO device using CAN (Controller Area Network or Car Area Network depending upon who you ask) to manage the DC current provided by the CHAdeMO device. This means the CHAdeMO adaptor would require the charge management portion of the Tesla charger together with a CHAdeMO interface layer speaking though CAN. Tesla has the charger code and I would think their chargers already use CAN to speak to the car and each other. That leaves writing a CHAdeMO interface layer and building the bespoke hardware.

As nice as it would be to have, I think you are looking to the secondary market for this bit.

I think Tesla's problem with CHAdeMO fast charging is Tesla will have to trust the charger manufacturer with their battery. When you plug into an A/C source the power is controlled through Tesla's on board charger... happy safe battery. When you dump DC directly into the battery there is no protection. If the CHAdeMO charger screws up for whatever reason the battery gets damaged or it's life span gets reduced and Tesla is on the hook for the warranty not the charger manufacturer.

I don't know if there is a $1000 solution at that kind of high power when we are talking DC. It seems to me that somehow it would have to buffer the power check to make sure it is safe then pass it on to the car. Very large capacitor.

I also wonder how much of a fee CHAdeMO wants to use their patents. Last I heard it was 20K just to have permission to make the charger. (that was 2010) So not only will you have to pay for the device but Tesla will tack on the patent licensing fee too.


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