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Delay of all 60 KW until 2013

Tesla under delivers for 60kw buyers.....when will they make the 60's

"We have recently revised delivery estimates and production for Model S this year and given your configuration, we current are estimating delivery of your Model S from January to February. This shift is mainly due to the staggered introduction of the 60kWh battery pack. Once the 60kWh Model S goes into production, we will be better able to estimate delivery and will be able to give you a more accurate delivery time then.

In any case, about 2 to 4 weeks before we expect delivery, you will be contacted by your Delivery Experience specialist who will start coordinating and preparing for the delivery of your Model S."

Where does this leave the 40's?

Why is this a surprise? Tesla did say they were building the 85s first and that the 60s would follow in 2013.

That's not quite what they said. 85kWh versions are where they start (signatures first), but they will be doing all of them parallel eventually.

I have vague memory that there were some red tape to deal with with 60 and 40kWh battery packs first. Validations, certification ands so on legal things to do which just can't be rushed.

They are waiting for EPA ratings on the smaller battery packs before they can legally sell them.

They previously estimated (as per the website configuration page), that production of the 60's would start in November. So this is an actual "expectation miss" event.

Understand they can't rush the red tape, but of course I'm anxiously awaiting news to indicate progress! I'm getting cabin fever!!!

@mbosem@me.com

I belive your resrvation # is 2971. I am 3446 so you just saved me a phone call.

I believe the production date has changed from Fall 2012 Nov. 1 to Dec 1, 2012 and it now back to fall 2012. Fall ends dec.21,2012 so I am still hoping they begin production in 2012. This is what I expected all along even when I signed the docs and it came back Nov. - Dec 2012.

Oh, no! Doesn't the Mayan calendar end on Dec 21 also! We're doomed!

@dashrb, Hahaha +1.

@GLO, I am with you ... where does that leave the 40's?

We are Sig: 1185 and have been told that ours will be in Chicago next week for 5 weeks now. The last excuse was that the semi driver took off on Thanksgiving; therefore our car won't reach Chicaco until Dec 1. Elon is correct, "Tesla has a huge credibility gap." The next call I recieve will likely be that my car was in a huge crash and is in a body shop.

Well, Tesla did have a 6 week slip, so if the Novermber start date for 60s this summer slips 6 weeks, that's production start in Jan.

I think during those delays they were probably building the parts that could be built. For example, why idle stamping machines, if you can keep them running. They have a LOT of space at that factory to store partialy completed units. I would guess then that when production opens up to 400 per week, they will ramp up quickly.

I've been seeing some very encouraging results from P holders getting their 30 day delivery announcements, which leads me to belive they may have hit 400. But that's just a guess.

Should not be long now.

Not surprised at all by the delay on the 60's.
Tesla's VP of Manufacturing is a Toyota guy. He would never allow a build-up of parts before needed. That's a good thing. It doesn't speed anything up.

Since almost 2/3 of existing orders are probably 85kWh, it makes a great deal of planning and financial sense for TM!

http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/poll.php?pollid=122&do=showresults

Hi Renzie,

Agreed that JIT is optimal, but balance that with idle hands and idle machinery when the factory is waiting on door handles. What would you do?

What I would do is keep building sub assemblies to the extent I can, get ahead of the game, then when I get a truckload of door handles, redeploy a few extra people to put them on and ship cars.

I'm not suggesting the main issue is really that, but it did come up as a problem at some point.

Manufacturing is going to try and remove critical path itmes, and multi thread whenever possible.

But honestly, I'm just guessing at this. I really don't know what's going on on the factory floor.

"2/3 of orders are 85kwh"

I have my doubts Sample is pretty small and probably skewed by including signatures which are 100% 85 kwh.

In a call to my new ownership rep to express my displeasure and disappointment with the two plus month delay, I was offered
a. refund if not happy
b. switch to 85kw but still early 2013 as I would be at the end
c. wait
I might have gone 85KW if I new that TM was going to delay all the 60's in 2013
My original rep said once production started all 3 packs would be made
Too late now.

With the delay of the 60kWh, who knows when they'll start producing the 40kWh. With my daily commutes, I'm on the fence between the two. Seeing how the 60 delayed, I may just go with the 60 instead of the 40.

Also, I'm still a little confused on the email I received that current reservations will be invited to finalize by January. If I finalize in January (I'm P13,490), I may have to wait much more than the 3-4 mnths they indicated after configuration.

Jbunn, I'm guessing too. It's fun sometimes. From your example I had a picture of Tesla's huge stamping machine making parts that would go into storage. This is commonly known as WIP(work in process). WIP=$$$. It's usually best to have $$$ collecting interest(or invested) versus WIP collecting dust. Theory of constraints would indicate cars can't be built faster than the slowest bottleneck. In this case, the bottleneck has zero throughput if there is no part. Also, building cars without a part is usually a quality no-no. The process and sequence to assemble a car is carefully planned and variances usually cause problems. A missing door handle could affect dozens of other processes from being completed. This is why some automakers had to idle lines after the Japanese tsunami.

I apologize for the off-topic banter. Early in my career I was a manufacturing engineer for a couple different automakers.

I'm not expecting delivery of my 60 kWh until March.
#7898.

Lou, I should think perhaps mid July.

Renzie, that's a good perspective. I've been guess from a perspective of keeping human resources and capital equipiment from sitting idle, with cost but no output. I do agree that rework and custom work is the enemy and to be avoided. I guess it depends on what parts are the hold up. Specificaly, how late in the build do they get installed. Thanks for the off topic discussion. I like thinking about what might be afoot over there.

GTC: The poll at TMC is not including signatures. It is for P&R reservations only. Including sigs would make no sense.

Renzie is exactly right. Batch production leads to out of sequence work, which costs more, and the parts have marginal cost even if labor is available since they consume materials. Better to apply the labor to cars that can be delivered and book the revenue. Building up parts inventory hurts cash- you turn cash to parts you can't sell, and you have to keep track of them all!

I have res number 5912 and selected 60 kWh. I called this week and they said still late Feb 13(my window is jan-feb). They have to homologate the car and I get the impression EPA mileage cert is the remaining hurdle.

Hey TMC: could you post something in the FAQ section about the 60 kWh battery production and delivery?

How long until EPA cert is done? Have you made them and just can't deliver them yet, or has production not started on them at all? When will the first be delivered?

Some of us with 60 kWh battery reservations are very early Tesla supporters.

As P912, it would be nice to get a bit of love back.

Throw me a bone.

Cheers.

@ceilidh
+1.
I even sujbmitted a request in the bulletin board section of the forum
http://www.teslamotors.com/forums/inside-tesla/tesla-bulletin-board

Just spoke to my tesla rep and was told the 60kw production that was supposed to begin this week, will not begin until jan. A blog post will come out today or tomorrow with more details, but I should realistically hope for Feb. delivery. At P65 I was assured mine would be one of the first batch. Will post a firm delivery date as soon as I am notified.

Maybe there are going to be so few 40s and 60s that TM should just upgrade the current reservationists for free, cancel the option for the "little" batteries, and be done with it?‼?

LOL

@joey, that would be very nice of you, thanks!

I submitted the question to TM as well about if they are going to make their "Fall 2012" enters production date from the "Options and Pricing" page

I suppose the only good news on the delay is that with more software updates, we will get a better product.

Ooops. Submit crossed with mbcaffe.


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