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Harris Supercharger expansion

Today, I spoke to a person working on the installation of the 8 bays at the Harris Ranch Restaurant parking lot. He indicated they would be completed by the end of next week. He also confirmed they were installing the underground piping to later expand to 16 stations. Another point I learned on this trip is the super chargers are set up as pairs, and if two cars are on the pair, then the rate of charge goes down. The fastest way to charge is to, whenever possible, take every other charging slot.

Wow, 8 bays. That's a lot! Thanks for the info.

Yay! Just in time for spring break! ROADTRIP!

And 8 is just the beginning... Harris is pivitol as it serves the Bay Area and Sacramento runs.

Ha anybody seen construction at Harris Ranch and have pics?

I just wish their steaks were priced like the electricity! ;)

I was there on Monday, saw the construction and have pics but don't know how to post them. Look like several weeks away based on what I saw.

Maybe this will help for the pictures..,

nickjhowe | MARCH 11, 2013
@skulleyb
You should upload the pictures to fickr, imageshack.us or your favorite hosting site, then copy the 'share' code that starts with sign. Add width="600" just before it.

You should be good to go.

Lets try it again... Learning my ipad copy and paste...

nickjhowe | MARCH 11, 2013
@skulleyb
You should upload the pictures to fickr, imageshack.us or your favorite hosting site, then copy the 'share' code that starts with sign. Add width="600" just before it.

You should be good to go.

Damn... Does pastes only part of the note. I am lost...

The Flickr code is the whole block it provides under the Share drop-down. Any other hosting site, it's the image URL in this HTML:
<img src="URL" width="500">

Would be great to see the pics

Photo proof from twitter!!

http://t.co/6qUSAiZqDF

Thanks to "moira" from recargo.com for posting a picture of the new Harris Ranch Supercharger construction as of March 11th, 2013:

http://www.recargo.com/sites/634

Unfortunately, it stinks at Harris Ranch. Not the best place to be skulking around for 30 minutes.

Coalinga looms large down there. While you may be polluting less than the average car, those cows are not making any effort to cut back on their greenhouse gas emissions!

It would be good to have superchargers at restaurants or stops with mostly vegan or vegetarian food.

@tvntesla

+1 several times!

I think we can get baked potatoes at Harris Ranch ;)

Mmmmm......cows!

Haha Moira is my wife. Guess I don't need to upload them, there are the same ones as regargo.

derek@kertongro... wait until we are in season in Gilroy - vegan food stinks too when it grows. Garlic, carrots, tomatoes, corn, etc all have a very stinky smell when you plant lots of it in one place. Fortunately Harris is not a chicken ranch... that would be much worse. When you leave the plastic wrapped urban sanctuary then it might get a little bit more closer to reality. On that particular stretch of freeway Harris is probably the closest you can get to civilization.

While this is great for those who use that Supercharger, they already had a Supercharger option even if they had to wait in line. Since most of the country still doesn't have one, it seems like other heavy-traffic places should be getting new Superchargers before expanding existing ones.

Jat- I respectfully disagree. By shear volume, that site is and probably will be the most in demand and utilized station for some time. Maybe forever.

@Electron - it is easy to say that sites that don't exist have less volume than one that does. How do you know a Supercharger on I75 into Florida wouldn't have much heavier traffic? What about the northeast corridor between DC and New York?

If at the end of the year, all the effort put into Superchargers is just upgrading existing ones rather than expanding the network as promised, then there are going to be a lot of disappointed people.

jat;
All the approvals were evidently in place, and that's what the "other traffic-heavy places" haven't got.

@jat

I hardly think that building in one location affects others. I expect it is an involved process (finding location, permits, getting that amount of power to a location, contracting the build) requiring many entities.
Harris Ranch probably had a larger amount planned, but may not have had everything in place to accommodate. I suspect decision was made to at least provide something as early as possible.
This may be true for other locations already in place as well.
With the amount of Teslas being sold in the L.A. and SF area, it won't be long before the Harris location will be a very popular spot indeed.
Superchargers are a money maker for either Tesla or Solar City (don't know the arrangement) and I'm sure that if they could all be installed everywhere immediately - they would be.

@hsadler - so Tesla has an unlimited supply of money and manpower to build as many as they want? Cool, I guess we should expect the entire network to happen all at once any day. And since Superchargers make money for somebody despite not actually receiving any money for them or for charging from them, I am surprised that everybody doesn't start businesses to build them everywhere.

Somebody is paying for the hardware, the electrical hookup, and even in the case of a Solar City lease like they offer individuals, there is a monthly fee to pay for their capital investment in solar panels. Building a network of 200 Superchargers is going to take a ton of capital, so I expect them to spread them out. It takes people to do the install, and it takes people to make other arrangements, and if those people are doing it at Harris Ranch, then they aren't doing it somewhere else - I'm not sure why you think there are infinite free resources, of either the personnel or monetary variety.

Just curious if it appears more solar cells are being installed as well. I love Tesla, but if they build too many stations without also installing solar cells then it doesn't look too good for their original claims that most/all of the power for the superchargers is offset by solar power going back into the grid.

I was there Wednesday evening and it seems they are farther out than what i saw reported here. Little infrastructure is in place. Mostly trenching for conduit at this point.

hsadler, jat, write;
you evidently haven't grokked the business plan revealed in the Reveal by Elon. In simple terms:

1) The actual charging hardware is "cheap", as TM has attained "economies of scale" in making the chargers.
2) Given each station costs about ¼ million, the entire first stage 100-stn n/w is worth <$30 million -- peanuts. Installation is not capital-constrained.
3) Once built, the stations are "run" by Solar City, which installs arrays where suitable. Installing arrays etc. is what it does for a living, and the installation volume and pace is not capital constrained.
4) Solar City pays for all the electricity consumed by the cars.
5) Solar City sells power from the arrays, which are sized and sited to produce more than the cars consume (across the n/w, over the course of a financial year). It profits.
6) TM is not involved, once the station is built and turned over to Solar City. It neither profits nor incurs expense from it.

Crews and hardware are standing by, idle, awaiting permits, etc. (or maybe are at work right now without advertising where, as has been the practice to date.) Patience, grasshoppers.

@write
"Just curious if it appears more solar cells are being installed as well. I love Tesla, but if they build too many stations without also installing solar cells then it doesn't look too good for their original claims that most/all of the power for the superchargers is offset by solar power going back into the grid."

The solar cells can be built miles (even hundreds of miles) away from the SC's. I would even bet that we will see Solar farms located in ideal collecting areas. The power collected is sold to the Utility and money from that is then used to buy power for the SC's.

This is my understanding.


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